Ever noticed this on cellidor SAKs?

[sakuser]

I was looking over my new Compact and noticed the liners are not straight, they look curved. Has anyone else seen this and is it normal?

[sLaughterMed]

The outside liners are in fact slightly concave, though I cant remember which way the liners face.

That said, it looks like your liner is just bent, especially on the left. It happens.

[Singh]

I think I see the same thing on my Compact,  on the side with the combo tool (the same side as your sak,). It looks ever-so-slightly convex.   In any case, I've had this Compact for years and it's no issue.

[Syph007]

Yes the full outer liners are made of low grade Al, that is quite soft and easily bends or bows.   You can bend it inwards with a soft clamp if you want.

[windson]

I think I see the same thing on my Compact,  on the side with the combo tool (the same side as your sak,). It looks ever-so-slightly convex.   In any case, I've had this Compact for years and it's no issue.

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Having a similar convex liner (and thus scale) on my Roulette Compact; I noticed this when I put it on a tabletop first and instead of being flat and stable, it spins... Ever so slightly, mind you; but enough to spin, and enough to be noticeable ever since (not that it impairs function in any way, it's just kinda annoying).

[GigaHz]

I think they are made that way from the factory. The outside liners are not flat. They are stamped at the factory with a bow in them. I think it is to give the tools more room.

[detron]

did this change happen when they went to the thinner tang?  I think the indention's are to make up for that loss of material on the main blade

[GigaHz]

Yes for the thinner blade. I am talking about the big stamped curve in the middle of the liner. It is lowest at the middle bottom and slowly gets higher towards the edges.

[windson]

Yes for the thinner blade. I am talking about the big stamped curve in the middle of the liner. It is lowest at the middle bottom and slowly gets higher towards the edges.

Interesting, and yes, that makes sense. It's quite clever engineering to not merely treat the scales as two-dimensional, flat elements but instead use the third dimension to alter the mechanics of the stack of tools.

[GigaHz]

Here are the 84mm outside liners. Even they have a bow stamped into them from the factory. The real old liners from the 60s were flat. But I'll bet the bow has been in the outside liners from the 70's and on.

[firiki]

I can't say I've noticed a curve -now I must check!- but I get the impression that on several of my SAKs the outer liner next to the openers layer is just a hair thinner than it's counterpart on the other end. This applies to 91mm and 111mm SAKs, unless I'm seeing things?

[hobie]

I think Victorinox should consider making a "premium" model line with stainless steel liners, thicker blade stock, G10 scales, etc.  I bet they would sell well.  I know I would gladly pay more for say a Spartan built like they use to make them. (I know they used to use nickel silver liners not stainless, but some of their competitors like the Boker Tech Tools are using them and it makes for a tougher knife.)

[Corwyn]

If it works don't change it... changing liner materials requires hundreds of thousand of euros in retechnologisation and redesign.
Currently Vic sells more than the next 10 cutlers combined... why invest a lot of money on increasing sales a bit... most sak buyers don't care much about liners or even blade sterl or handles...
Really the G10/supersteel  nuts are buying tactical folders anyway... the Boker multitool market is minute...

[magentus]

To be honest, I've not noticed any compromise in the strength of my EDC SAK's - they seem to handle most appropriate tasks I use them for. One of the best things about SAK's is that it's very affordable quality - something that everyone can benefit from no matter what your income.

[hobie]

Well, I knew I would get some feedback on that!  Thanks for the responses.  I love SAKs too but I've also seen a lot of bent blades and cracked scales on them.   

[magentus]

Well, I knew I would get some feedback on that!  Thanks for the responses.  I love SAKs too but I've also seen a lot of bent blades and cracked scales on them.   

That's usually down to misuse though, or dropping them. I do think they are plenty strong enough for their intended purposes, although I wouldn't use the back spring philips or sc for anything strenuous.

[hobie]

I have to think one reason the alox models are so popular among SAK aficionados is that they seem sturdier- thicker main blade, tougher scales.

[magentus]

I have to think one reason the alox models are so popular among SAK aficionados is that they seem sturdier- thicker main blade, tougher scales.

I agree. At the end of the day though how much can you expect from a pocket knife? I usually prefer a Celidor EDC because of the increase in tool load and as long as I take care of the tools I don't have any problem with breaking or bending.

[Toolslinger]

I have to think one reason the alox models are so popular among SAK aficionados is that they seem sturdier- thicker main blade, tougher scales.

I agree. At the end of the day though how much can you expect from a pocket knife? I usually prefer a Celidor EDC because of the increase in tool load and as long as I take care of the tools I don't have any problem with breaking or bending.

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This is the reason I can't get into Alox. Tool density and selection is small compared to Cellidor. Unless you go custom...

[captain spaulding]

I think Victorinox should consider making a "premium" model line with stainless steel liners, thicker blade stock, G10 scales, etc.  I bet they would sell well.  I know I would gladly pay more for say a Spartan built like they use to make them. (I know they used to use nickel silver liners not stainless, but some of their competitors like the Boker Tech Tools are using them and it makes for a tougher knife.)

I would personally love to see that happen, but sadly I doubt it will any time soon and if it did they would probably make it a limited run and charge a insane price for it.

[Singh]

Vic should keep making affordable knives. If you want premium materials, we have modders for that.

That way, everyone is happy. Last thing I want if for independent modders to get put out of business!

[windson]

Vic should keep making affordable knives. If you want premium materials, we have modders for that.

That way, everyone is happy. Last thing I want if for independent modders to get put out of business!

This.

[strmliner]

Vic should keep making affordable knives. If you want premium materials, we have modders for that.

That way, everyone is happy. Last thing I want if for independent modders to get put out of business!

Totally agree!   

[hobie]

I think Victorinox should consider making a "premium" model line with stainless steel liners, thicker blade stock, G10 scales, etc.  I bet they would sell well.  I know I would gladly pay more for say a Spartan built like they use to make them. (I know they used to use nickel silver liners not stainless, but some of their competitors like the Boker Tech Tools are using them and it makes for a tougher knife.)

I would personally love to see that happen, but sadly I doubt it will any time soon and if it did they would probably make it a limited run and charge a insane price for it.

It just occurred to me that what I am wishing for is the more modern 111mm series!  Nylon handles, stainless steel liners, thicker blades.  And they are affordable, with lots of tool combos.

[hobie]

Sorry, I didn't do the quote thing right in the above post- that last comment is mine, not Capt. Spaulding's.

[windson]

I think Victorinox should consider making a "premium" model line with stainless steel liners, thicker blade stock, G10 scales, etc.  I bet they would sell well.  I know I would gladly pay more for say a Spartan built like they use to make them. (I know they used to use nickel silver liners not stainless, but some of their competitors like the Boker Tech Tools are using them and it makes for a tougher knife.)

I would personally love to see that happen, but sadly I doubt it will any time soon and if it did they would probably make it a limited run and charge a insane price for it.

It just occurred to me that what I am wishing for is the more modern 111mm series!  Nylon handles, stainless steel liners, thicker blades.  And they are affordable, with lots of tool combos.

Does the 111mm series in fact have stainless steel liners?

[Steinar]

The liner locks do.

[firiki]

I'm almost certain 111mm linerlocks have aluminium liners and just the linerlock serving as a liner.

I remember reading somewhere on MTO that Wenger Rangers had steel liners. I can't find the thread right now but judging by the looks of it my WRanger probably has aluminium liners as well.

Can someone shed some light, please?

[Steinar]

You're right. I checked a Centurion, and the outer liners are aluminium.

[hobie]

I could be wrong, but my Soldier sure looks like steel inside. Anyway it's one tough knife!