Work Policies

[Outback in Idaho]

Am guessing a "lethal weapon" would not include multitools would it?



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[Grant Lamontagne]

Depends on what you do with it and how good your legal council or union rep is.

Def

[Outback in Idaho]

But this also brings up the concealed carry thing, if the person has a license from LE then it should be acceptable?

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[Outback in Idaho]

Ahh, Frito Lay has no union.

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[WoodsDuck]

Sounds like one of those things where they leave the language vague so they can prohibit whatever suits their purposes at any given time.

If it's a reasonable company, they wouldn't oppose you carrying a multi. If not, they might ban anything more dangerous than safety scissors.

But this also brings up the concealed carry thing, if the person has a license from LE then it should be acceptable?

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No. On private property, the owners or an authorized representative can bar you from carrying a firearm regardless of any licenses. You basically lose all but the most basic human rights upon entering another person's home or business. It's very much like forum owners being within their rights to forbid obscene language, without you being able to sue them for violating your right to freedom of expression. It's their house, so it's their rules.

[ironraven]

We have one of those at work. Someone was bleating about it. To my boss. Who pointed out almost everyone in my office carries a pocket knife, SAK or multitool of some kind, and we have have an 8" carving knife in the drawer in the break room.

[Aloha]

Sounds like one of those things where they leave the language vague so they can prohibit whatever suits their purposes at any given time.

If it's a reasonable company, they wouldn't oppose you carrying a multi. If not, they might ban anything more dangerous than safety scissors.

But this also brings up the concealed carry thing, if the person has a license from LE then it should be acceptable?

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No. On private property, the owners or an authorized representative can bar you from carrying a firearm regardless of any licenses. You basically lose all but the most basic human rights upon entering another person's home or business. It's very much like forum owners being within their rights to forbid obscene language, without you being able to sue them for violating your right to freedom of expression. It's their house, so it's their rules.

^^^ This

It might be a good idea to get permission to avoid any issues. 

[Outback in Idaho]

    When I was hired the manager said the Tread I was wearing was acceptable. But... tape and adhesive binds up trying to use that, becomes stupid then. Did find the Piranha's box cutter portion sort of worked, with pressure, but it was still a bit of a struggle at times even then.

    There are enough people concealed carrying at Walmart that any attempt of an armed robbery would be stupid on the perpetrator's end. Asset Protection would be worthless though, thanks to Oregon's laws.

    But we have issue where shelves break down from weight, people climbing on them, or whatever, and Walmart won't fix the shelves. A few zip ties or some wire would fix that, but no one wants to carry a pair of pliers and wire snippers around when a multitool is much more convenient & weighs less.
    Then we occasionally get promotional boxes in with tape. Good luck trying to cut that with the Tread cutters. The adhesive gums up and the cutter is too small to clear the adhesive jam-up.

    Thought about carrying a PST, that's so small it shouldn't be much of a threat. But we all know there's that smurfhole that sees you carrying a multitool and would call up HQ just because their an smurfhole and go out of their way to smurf with your job too. I do miss not having a multitool on hand to fix things, repair a broken finger nail & file it down, clean one's nails, cutting food down to acceptable portions, etc. Can't say how many times I still go for my multitool only to grab empty belt space cause I don't have it with me at work. /grr


    PS: I gave away the Ka-Bar Sporks. The knives in those are plastic-nylon too. Probably what makes them tactical.

[jerseydevil]

I help run the recieving dock for a barbell company. Yes, barbells/free weights. That's ALL we do. I'm a lethal weapon on my own..... we don't have a weapon policy. Apparently it doesn't matter if I have a blade, I'll kill you with a weight first.......

[Sea Monster]

I guess there's the old rule about asking for forgiveness rather than permission.

[Outback in Idaho]

  Used to have a Ring Knife, wonder if these would be considered a lethal weapon??

   

[Alan K.]

Vague policies like that can come back and bite you.  Basically, if you carry a knife or multitool and you keep it in your pocket and you're careful about where and when you use it and who sees you use it or otherwise knows about it, and, you're good at your job and don't cause them any problems then you're probably OK.  However, if you are a problem child or you're not good at your job then they can use your knife or multitool as an excuse to fire you by deciding one day that it violates the weapons policy.  That's why they make those policies so vague.

[Outback in Idaho]

    This was the "new" employee handbook. I should dig up the other one from last year to see what it reads. Wonder if perhaps it's best to use a full-covered sheath if wearing a multitool on the belt, so nothing shiny is seen when carrying one.

    And another reason to carry a black oxide multi too! Only black oxide I have is the Surge. That thing is a beast to carry, at 12 pounces. Black blades don't get near as much attention as naked stainless steel does.

[dks]

I think they mean the films...

[Outback in Idaho]

I think they mean the films...

 

[dks]

You youngsters, do not know of any films prior to 2010....

[Outback in Idaho]

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You youngsters, do not know of any films prior to 2010....

    Youngsters?? 

    Okay, I see your plan here... trying to derail the conversation in favor of post count.

[dks]

When we are all gone we will be remembered by our post counts...

[ljnoble]

Do you have what a not knife person would call a good use for a leatherman or SAK at work

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[ljnoble]

I guess there's the old rule about asking for forgiveness rather than permission.

I really love this saying

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[WoodsDuck]

I guess there's the old rule about asking for forgiveness rather than permission.

Which one of those is better than being destitute because you keep getting fired for ignoring workplace policies?
Pithy sayings don't pay the bills.

[Grant Lamontagne]

Careful Woodsduck, that's two sensible posts in the same thread..... 

Seriously, is planned to quote your first post and agree with you, but your second post is just as valid.

I agree with both entirely.

Def

[Kampfer]

Vague policies like that can come back and bite you.  Basically, if you carry a knife or multitool and you keep it in your pocket and you're careful about where and when you use it and who sees you use it or otherwise knows about it, and, you're good at your job and don't cause them any problems then you're probably OK.  However, if you are a problem child or you're not good at your job then they can use your knife or multitool as an excuse to fire you by deciding one day that it violates the weapons policy.  That's why they make those policies so vague.

Agree

[Grant Lamontagne]

Double agreed.

Def

[Outback in Idaho]

    Surely a Leatherman Squirt PS4 would not be bannable, right? Though the pliers might be a bit less impressive. 
    Or a Vic Manager?? I should put that back on my keychain... didn't have a pen on me yesterday... 

[Alan K.]

Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.  You're not violating the policy less by carrying a smaller knife.

[Aloha]

Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.  You're not violating the policy less by carrying a smaller knife.

^^This

Also due to the vagueness of the carry policy they can make whatever determination they feel is right. 

I'd bring in all the tools I wanted to carry and get an official sign off or denial.  Then I'd ask them to provide me with job specific tools to get my job done. 

[Grant Lamontagne]

Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.  You're not violating the policy less by carrying a smaller knife.

^^This

Also due to the vagueness of the carry policy they can make whatever determination they feel is right. 

I'd bring in all the tools I wanted to carry and get an official sign off or denial.  Then I'd ask them to provide me with job specific tools to get my job done.

That would be my response as well.  Then I would ridicule them if they tried to convince me that my pliers were a dangerous weapon and suggest that maybe they should also institute a policy that required safety glasses be worn any time there is a pen in the room.

But then, I have been fired from a lot of jobs in my time, so maybe you shouldn't do what Def does....

Def

[Outback in Idaho]

It was that "lethal weapon" thing that bugged me, then they added the law thing in there.

So it means it's okay for some, but no candle for you.

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[yud]

So does your state or the state they are based in have a law regarding "leathei weapons," if so that might give you some guidance.  Also I would see what everyone else is carrying.

Technically, apparently, we are not allowed to carry knives while working in state parks (the laws in DE are very ambiguous as to who considers what a deadly weapon) (same goes for visitors). Yet when I went to state wide training I saw so many pocket clips that it is clear it is not enforced.  Also when bored I sit around and whittle, which everyone agrees is actually a pretty great idea.

Of course at anytime I get my hands on all manner of cooking knives, hatchet, axe (chopping wood is actually a part of my job), muskets, bannetts, and black powder.  So people getting weird about a slipjoint would be strange.