EPIC FAIL

[Obi1shinobee]

 

 

[Aloha]

Thank you for the clarity .  Honestly tho, it does nothing to change my post.  Someone sees that as a sticker or billboard and most will make a judgment.  Call me simple minded but lets be reasonable that image alone makes a statement.  Thats how this sort of thing works. 

Its terrible this group was started in the first place.  That poor family had to suffer such a tragedy.  I'm sure its part healing and certainly part education.  I also realize most any item can and is used as a weapon.  I also realize knife crime in certain parts of the world, heck a lot of the world is very real. 

Who is this targeted at?  I saw very small kids.  The Cookie Monster is directly targeted toward a very specific demographic and their parents by default.  So when a young kid sees this they automatically think what?  They go look up the website?  Sure maybe their parents do, maybe not.  For those reasons I'll again stand by what I posted.   

Maybe I am seeing this wrong.  I very well might not seeing the other side.  My mom always said "no matter how thin you slice it, theres always two sides".  I do get this group is trying to send a message.  Unless everyone who sees this picture goes and digs further I do think the message is the picture.   

   

[AimlessWanderer]

I don't know for certain, but I think kids were involved in the design of that logo - kids of the age that they're trying to dissuade from carrying stuff. If that's right, it seems that is what is in the kids mind of what is/was been carried by certain people in that area. Bear in mind this is a specific local charity, and is not necessarily meant to "translate" everywhere else. The inclusion of cookie monster is because the kid that got killed had cookie monster tattooed on his arse, so it's in memory of him rather than specifically to kids that haven't learned to count to twelve yet. So this logo is meant to have specific meaning in the placed where it was set up, rather than wider meaning across the world in areas the message was not intended for.

[Aloha]

I don't know for certain, but I think kids were involved in the design of that logo - kids of the age that they're trying to dissuade from carrying stuff. If that's right, it seems that is what is in the kids mind of what is/was been carried by certain people in that area. Bear in mind this is a specific local charity, and is not necessarily meant to "translate" everywhere else. The inclusion of cookie monster is because the kid that got killed had cookie monster tattooed on his arse, so it's in memory of him rather than specifically to kids that haven't learned to count to twelve yet. So this logo is meant to have specific meaning in the placed where it was set up, rather than wider meaning across the world in areas the message was not intended for.

Thank you.  I totally get it.  I really do.   

Such a darn shame what we have to teach our kids.  I know I feel sick when I have to "pull the curtain back" for my own kids.   

[Kampfer]

Are cops and troops in U.K. Cowards?
They carry weapons, sometime, I hope.

[Kampfer]

I am not going to lie, I am a big coward. 

[Mechanickal]

I am not going to lie, I am a big coward. 

We knew allready!

[styx]

ok I really dislike wasting my time so do y'all want to hear how and why things are done in a way i'd call underhanded or would you prefer without the peak behind that particular curtain?

[theonew]

I think what I and many others object to is the demonization of an object when it should be the demonization of a behavior. I grew up in the country and kids of all ages had pocket knives. In high school, during hunting season, some kids came to school with rifles on a rack in their pickup truck. No one got stabbed and no one got shot.

One of the most successful grass roots awareness campaigns that I'm aware of is Mothers Against Drunk Driving. This group didn't demonize cars or demonize alcohol, it demonized a behavior that at the time it was founded wasn't taken very seriously. You'd hear people say things like, "It'll take ya a six pack to drive there."

So what has changed with teenagers? I don't know. But the message should be something more along the lines of 'Think before you lash out' and that actions have consequences. Also, calling someone a coward probably isn't the most effective way to deter them.

[Don Pablo]

I think what I and many others object to is the demonization of an object when it should be the demonization of a behavior. I grew up in the country and kids of all ages had pocket knives. In high school, during hunting season, some kids came to school with rifles on a rack in their pickup truck. No one got stabbed and no one got shot.

One of the most successful grass roots awareness campaigns that I'm aware of is Mothers Against Drunk Driving. This group didn't demonize cars or demonize alcohol, it demonized a behavior that at the time it was founded wasn't taken very seriously. You'd hear people say things like, "It'll take ya a six pack to drive there."

So what has changed with teenagers? I don't know. But the message should be something more along the lines of 'Think before you lash out' and that actions have consequences. Also, calling someone a coward probably isn't the most effective way to deter them.

The old days do seem better. 

[theonew]

The old days do seem better. 

In some ways but the multitool selection was rather limited

[Ron Who]

The old days do seem better. 

In some ways but the multitool selection was rather limited

Well the Romans used multitools...

[this_is_nascar]

Caught this on a FB group this morning.


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[theonew]

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Retrieving-Holding-Eyebolt-Magnetic/dp/B000CP2PG0/ref=sr_1_1/131-0565745-3122266?ie=UTF8&qid=1501961499&sr=8-1&keywords=retrieval+magnets
 

[Aloha]

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Retrieving-Holding-Eyebolt-Magnetic/dp/B000CP2PG0/ref=sr_1_1/131-0565745-3122266?ie=UTF8&qid=1501961499&sr=8-1&keywords=retrieval+magnets
 

You Sir are my kind of thinker! Utterly brilliant. 

  

[Aloha]

The old days do seem better. 

In some ways but the multitool selection was rather limited

Well the Romans used multitools...

Really neat.

[styx]

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Retrieving-Holding-Eyebolt-Magnetic/dp/B000CP2PG0/ref=sr_1_1/131-0565745-3122266?ie=UTF8&qid=1501961499&sr=8-1&keywords=retrieval+magnets
 

You Sir are my kind of thinker! Utterly brilliant. 

  

Glad to see I'm not the only one

[Aloha]

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Retrieving-Holding-Eyebolt-Magnetic/dp/B000CP2PG0/ref=sr_1_1/131-0565745-3122266?ie=UTF8&qid=1501961499&sr=8-1&keywords=retrieval+magnets
 

You Sir are my kind of thinker! Utterly brilliant. 

  

Glad to see I'm not the only one

As "they" say, one mans trash is another treasure.  I love what people toss out, mostly.  I love the flea market for this very reason. 

I know this is not that but still, free knives 

[Aloha]

ok I really dislike wasting my time so do y'all want to hear how and why things are done in a way i'd call underhanded or would you prefer without the peak behind that particular curtain?

Recently the curtain was pulled back for my daughter.  They know I will always tell it to them straight.  They have always appreciated when I do later in some cases and in others then and there.  My own parent was straight to the point.  I appreciated her direct nature and in many ways made me harder to offend.  I've often corrected people around me that say "the truth hurts".  I always say the truth is neither brutal or meant to hurt.  What is true for me is not for others and that I can recognize.  Still we must live within certain societal parameters.   

What makes me bummed is these stupid kids.  YOLO and FU to tomorrow in some of their lives.  Not all kids mind you but I am seeing kids just wilding out and not giving a smurf.  Kids from good families and good backgrounds.  Is there any answer?  I know society has got to try but let treat the illness not the just the symptoms. 

[ironraven]

I think what I and many others object to is the demonization of an object when it should be the demonization of a behavior.

Bingo.

While writting this up, I showed it to my housemates and a guest. In that group, you've got a government worker who routinely does PR, an engineer who has to work with the public, and a youth pastor who is also a graphical artist. Three Eagle Scouts, two of whom are Scout leaders. Add me, and thats four people who have classical educations and have to work with the public, who have to understand how the message can be lost by sloppy trappings. You had four people who felt varying degrees of insult as we unconciously tapped our pockets or belt lines.

Someone mentioned that their name is there, but without the context, their name is a statement of judgement. Libelous judgement. But of course, if you are offended, "you're the problem". You're the bad person. If you object to THIS, wow, "you're offended by a muppet and don't like kids". And it's ok, because only bad people have these things that cookie monster says are bad, and it's ok to insult bad people.

When you use a globally recognized symbol and global communications media to transmit your message without context about a local message, you know what you're doing. And I've reached the point where I don't give a damn what the sob stories are any more- it just another round of mental vomit trying to stigmatize law abiding, honorable people for the acts of people who don't care what the laws are. Pretty sure murder is illegal- it is the act that is illegal, not the tool. This is shaming against a group, this is the assignment of mass guilt.

This is intellectually dishonest. This is libel. And I"m deeply disappointed that we have members who can't understand that.

[ironraven]

I know society has got to try but let treat the illness not the just the symptoms.

Don't worry, they'll fix themselves. I just hope I'm out of this life by the time they smash everything up. I'm just really hoping there is intelligent life on other planets, and when I reincarnate, I can change stars. See ya, Earthworms!

[surfdaworld]

Very very sad to me, and very misguided.  The implication is that if you are carrying a weapon (or tool that could be used as a weapon), then you must be a criminal, and therefore a coward.
What about those who carry tools for non-weapon purposes?
What about those who carry weapons for law-abiding purposes?

Instead of vilifying a symptom (weapons and potential weapons), how about if we instead chose to teach moral principles and respect for law? I'd rather be in a crowd of law-abiding folks with weapons, than in a room of unarmed criminals!

I truly feel sorrow for those that have lost family members to violent crime. Too often though, the emotions of the victim and family are used as justification to pass unwise and foolish legislation on the rest of society, in a misguided attempt to solve the root problems.

[AimlessWanderer]

 

 

 

[Syph007]

[theonew]

[Obi1shinobee]

 

[WoodsDuck]

I know a lot of points have been made about how this is a specific program that's trying to prevent kids using common items as weapons for various reasons, and that is all true.
But this group's name is Only Cowards Carry. So forget about screwdrivers and hammers, forget broken bottles or bricks...
The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present. It's really easy to sit back and call people cowards when you don't know anything about them as a person or why they do what they do or carry what they carry. Some might, in fact, say it's quite cowardly. Like me, I think it's pathetic and cowardly. I could make all kinds of further statements about this, but I fear it would take a turn that very quickly gets my posts deleted and/or the thread locked, because a lot of it deals with prejudice. So it will have to suffice that I say it isn't cool and I don't care why they're doing it.

[WoodsDuck]

PS. I have lost family members to violence, and this probably makes me even more disgusted by this group hiding behind "oh, it's ok because it's all for the children!" while spewing their prejudiced attempt at shaming people they've never met.

[Syncop8r]

The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.

No, that isn't who they are attempting to shame. They are attempting to shame children who carry things as weapons.
I think you're taking it all a bit personally.

[WoodsDuck]

The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.

No, that isn't who they are attempting to shame. They are attempting to shame children who carry things as weapons.
I think you're taking it all a bit personally.

Oh, that's better then. Shame is a great teaching tool. I hope those cowardly children learn not to be such sniveling, craven reprobates.