Good point about the weight, something I should have factored. And truthfully, a multitool for me is just to tie me over so I don't have to get into my toolbox. I don't really want to haul around more than 10oz of a lightweight set. So perhaps I'm off point about comparing the two in the original post. Clearly I need to do more research. What's a better Victorinox comparison to the Charge TTI?
Then I believe you won't be disappointed with either tool! The Charge has one thing I like better than gratuitous Vic finger nail notches. One Hand blades.
Quote from: gerleatherberman on September 30, 2017, 04:45:15 AMThen I believe you won't be disappointed with either tool! The Charge has one thing I like better than gratuitous Vic finger nail notches. One Hand blades. That's what I love about my Skeletool for sure!
I did a poll a while back related to exactly this topic. I also followed up with highlights on the Spirit and Wave. Lots of love and both sides. I wasn't trying to compare the tools to declare a winner. What I was trying to do was highlight what each tool offered as well as talk and listen to feedback from those who use either. I never finished my thread which I should probably do at some point. If you have a chance to get either in hand I feel you would know which might work best for you. I will stand behind what I've always said regarding Victorinox vs LM, OHO wins every time for me. That said, I love my Victorinox Swisstool and Spirits. https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,57922.0.html
Some random thoughts on this in no particular order...The OHO aspect of most LMs is frowned upon in various jurisdictions at least in Europe (even if carrying a knife is permitted - some places don't)... Vic probably decided against taking that risk.To be continued...Sent on my SM-G930F with Tapatalk
One hand opening a swisstool or spirit? Kind of like riding a unicycle on a high wire. It is possible, but not practical. I can open ever tool on my wave and surge with one hand, but I feel it is irresponsible to say that to someone who isn't fully aware of the consequences of attempting it.I can one hand open a supertool as well, but it took a lot of practice and the tool falling to the floor.While the VICs can eventually be coaxed with considerable effort to one hand, they are even less of a one hand tool than the wave/surge. The Vics handle snap is very tight, so you have to catch one handle on your pocket and fold out, until your thumb can push the other handle out.LMs have screws to adjust the tightness (vics use a rivet), so you can throw it open or use your thumb to push the handles open one handed.Final note: the Vic blades are NOT really OHO, not even close. Just because a few people can juggle while playing the piano with their feet doesn't make Vics OHO.
Comparing a LM and Vic is like comparing apples and oranges, except the apples and oranges argue and nobody wins.Fact: Charge is not in the same weight category as the SwissTool. They are not alike in any sense of the word. Apples and oranges.Better comparison is SwissTool and ST300. Vic Spirit and Charge are more alike.Vic steel is notably softer than LMs tool steel, but tough enough for most people.I personally like apples and oranges.
Quote from: gerleatherberman on September 30, 2017, 03:59:43 AMComparing a LM and Vic is like comparing apples and oranges, except the apples and oranges argue and nobody wins.Fact: Charge is not in the same weight category as the SwissTool. They are not alike in any sense of the word. Apples and oranges.Better comparison is SwissTool and ST300. Vic Spirit and Charge are more alike.Vic steel is notably softer than LMs tool steel, but tough enough for most people.I personally like apples and oranges.Oranges are more round. Apples make better pies.They both have seeds.They both grow on trees.The expression actually originated as you can't compare Apples and Oysters in the 1600s. Somehow it changed to oranges. Expressions and origins always fascinated me.Ever heard... cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey
I do think about QC more and more over the years. I had 9 or so plier based Victorinox tools over time. 2 I believe came to me new, maybe 3, but all in great condition. The others came to me used and one abused. Those used tools were in working order and needed nothing more than a cleaning. I've had more LMs come to me that any other tool and all but a very few new. In all those tools over the years ( 100+ ) I have had ZERO rust issues, 1 used juice ended up with a broken back spring, and ............. I am not remembering much else honestly. I know many have not been as lucky as me. I know from MTO that some have had repeatedly had bad tools. While I can sympathize and be upset this happens it just hasn't been my experience. Many of you know nearly my whole collection has come from the bay of fleas or the flea market. The Wave I sent Zed for example was a flea market find. I would have never sent that tool to him had there been any sign of issues. I thought the tool was in very nice working condition all be it used condition. I guess what I'm saying is, I can easily be pissed at LM for allowing tools into the wild that clearly are defective. I cannot personally find fault in the 100+ tools that have come thru my hands and continue to do so. I just haven't had the issues and thankfully so.
Quote from: Aloha007 on September 30, 2017, 05:03:07 PMI do think about QC more and more over the years. I had 9 or so plier based Victorinox tools over time. 2 I believe came to me new, maybe 3, but all in great condition. The others came to me used and one abused. Those used tools were in working order and needed nothing more than a cleaning. I've had more LMs come to me that any other tool and all but a very few new. In all those tools over the years ( 100+ ) I have had ZERO rust issues, 1 used juice ended up with a broken back spring, and ............. I am not remembering much else honestly. I know many have not been as lucky as me. I know from MTO that some have had repeatedly had bad tools. While I can sympathize and be upset this happens it just hasn't been my experience. Many of you know nearly my whole collection has come from the bay of fleas or the flea market. The Wave I sent Zed for example was a flea market find. I would have never sent that tool to him had there been any sign of issues. I thought the tool was in very nice working condition all be it used condition. I guess what I'm saying is, I can easily be pissed at LM for allowing tools into the wild that clearly are defective. I cannot personally find fault in the 100+ tools that have come thru my hands and continue to do so. I just haven't had the issues and thankfully so. I would say that there is a possibility of a selection bias here. Is it possible that it's more likely for Leathermans with no QC defects to end up on the second hand market than ones with QC defects which could be thrown in the bin or returned to Leatherman? Rather like how old Japanese Katanas are held in very high regard, with superb quality, but the reason they they seem so good is because the bad ones broke a long long time ago?
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