The tell-tale sight beside the price is the two listings having exactly the same text though from two different eBay IDs. Normally, I would jump right in with eBay having my back. However, with the recent horror from a scammer (this guy https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jimcass815&ftab=AllFeedback&rt=nc), who tied up my money for over a month, I stay away from these kinds of listings.
For the collector, magnetic retention, clumping reinvented as a positive feature, and elastomer springs, may well be worth the outlay. For the user, the additional cost might possibly be justified, if you need to fumble each and every tool out one handed, assuming you have the dexterity and hand size to juggle holding the tool, whilst manipulating one implement one way, the the rest another.
Has no forum member bought one yet?
I am glad they tried something different I have tried not to be a naysayer and will leave judgement to myself and to MTO members If it is a fail then we will scatter trying to get one or 2 for the collection if it is a win then it is great for everyone I really hope it is a win becasue they look very cool Getting excited to see one of these out in the wild and hopefully in person maybe a trip to a store that carries LM for me is due
AW,I appreciate your viewpoints and commentary on the Free series. But, that said, I think you are straw-manning the P series a bit.Example:The reinvention of clumping as a positive feature didn't include the fact that the tangs are over sized specifically to make the tools OHO accessible for selection. And, I'm quite certain, someone who uses MTs very often won't be fumbling around to get tools out. I can OHO inside tools on most MTs, and much more easily the outboard tools.It may be a bit better to wait and see what the general consensus of the function is before asserting the design is inefficient. IMHO of course.
I have a P2 on the way and looks to be here Tuesday
Monrogue ... Monrogue ... I vaguely remember something about a rotating schedule ... And me using it to poke somebody ... Show contentGood to have you back here buddy . Hope you will enjoy your P2. Over here we'll have to wait for August to get a tool from the Free series .
There seems to be a very clear divide here, between those who think "Ooh, Leatherman has brought out an entire new line, with magnets and stuff", and those who think "why do they want double the price for something that only does what my other stuff does?"Obviously, both camps are perfectly correct. It is an entirely fresh and innovative concept. It also doesn't do anything significantly different or better to what others do at a lower price. In fact some would (probably rightly) argue that the cheaper tools will do stuff better (file stuff, access recessed screws, stay shut).So depending on whether you want something new and conceptually different, or whether you just want a tool that works, depends on how much extra value is in the tool. For the collector, magnetic retention, clumping reinvented as a positive feature, and elastomer springs, may well be worth the outlay. For the user, the additional cost might possibly be justified, if you need to fumble each and every tool out one handed, assuming you have the dexterity and hand size to juggle holding the tool, whilst manipulating one implement one way, the the rest another. Good luck with wet, cold or greasy hands. There's no other functional benefit to all that expense and innovation that I can see. From the comments in this thread, I'm not alone.However, my views, and the views of the eager collector, should not detract from each other, because from what I can see, they are the target audience. They are the ones who have most to gain from the innovation, inclusion of magnets, and a sheath that shows muck quicker. There is nothing significantly new for the user, but it is revolutionary for the collector. For the heavy tool user, the tool will turn black within a few months anyway, and they'll have probably fumbled the tool enough times to stick with using it two handed, for all but the most awkward of circumstances.I don't think this is a tool for anyone who doesn't have a multitool yet, or indeed for anyone whose array of other Leatherman tools, isn't already well into double figures. But that's OK. It's like the concept cars that you see at car shows, that nobody will ever use for driving to work in. They'll be bought by people who already have far more practical and affordable options for daily use. If people want to get all excited over this, then good for them. I'm sure they will find a far higher value from it than I ever would. That said, I think the knife versions have more functional benefit for the regular user than the pliers tools do, and I understand they'll be more sensibly priced, so maybe the regular user (though still not me) will potentially get something new that's worth trying out of this new concept after all.What do those who think the pliers are a pointless ripoff, think about the non-plier based tools in this line?
I know I’ve been away quite a bit, but despite the different name, you remind me an awful lot of someone from the past.....
The clue is in the sig line, buddy (the words, and the badges )Good to see you back
Well, until we get some user reviews, and more members here have spent time with one, all we can do is speculate There's no reason we shouldn't share our views in the meantime We shouldn't have to just restrict our views to positive views but yes, I am well aware that I might have to eat my words later.
Hi MUltitool.org followers,I just received my Free P4 today. So it is still a little early to do a review of the tool. I will stick to initial observations instead. Starting with the pliers. They seem to be of the same quality and strength class as you would find in the surge. Any flex I found was in the handle when squeezing. I detected no flex in the jaws or pivot. Opening the handless and the pliers click into place with a satisfying click. There is a notch in which the pliers click into when opened. I will be keeping an eye on this area. I do like the pivot bolts for the plier heads and wish they would have used a similar set up for the individual tools.The handles are nice and comfortable with a nice radiused edge. I do like the texture on the raised panel and I think many of you will like it. One comment on the individual tool release is that it will dig into the meat of your hand if you are squeezing the handle hard. Moving on to the individual tools. The main non serrated blade is easy to open. It has a nice hollow grind with good length. The scissors are good, but prefer the Surge scissors to these. The Philips and Large Flat Head Screwdriver are nice as well. On the other side is the saw which is good. The serrated blade with a tanto type point to match the saw. Initial impression of the serrated blade is that I would have preferred a full size file to this. Your mileage may vary if you use a serrated blade a lot. Can opener is good and no complaints there. The awl does double duty as a small Flat Head Screwdriver. I would have preferred a awl like the surge. The medium Flat Head Screwdriver has CM and an inch rule later etch on it. The file is small and is limited due to size constraints due to the placement Leatherman chose for it. I had no issue with using the lock. I found the individual tools easy to deploy. The biggest thing with the new tool will be developing muscle memory to easily deploy all the tools. I would say overall I am happy with the new P4 and look forward to using it in the coming weeks and months ahead. Please note: these are my initial observations after just receiving my new P4.JonesE
Welcome to Jones Thanks for the initial thoughts
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