Sorry, but thats very old and out of date attitude based on out of date information. I suggest you look into how the Glock is made and engineered, and how it has influenced the design and construction of semi autos in the past thirty years. As for the handling of most all double action revolvers, they are impossible to have go off unless the trigger is deliberately pulled all the way to the rear to fire. Post WW2, they have all incorporated hammer block safeties that are a built in factor. Add in a 'hammerless' design like a S&W 642, and you have a gun that is totally safe. I get very weary of people who don't know much about firearms because of their political bent or a nationality that they don't have good access to them and therefor inexperienced, spouting off wrong or parroted old miss information because they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, people have had accidents with chambered rounds, but if you investigate, they were doing something stupid, like having their finger on the trigger when it should't be. Like watching that video, it was very obvious from the beginning that it was slanted for the gun guy to fail. Nobody carries a modern semi auto on an empty chamber since the 1980's. The built in safety engineering of modern handguns makes that as ridiculous as using a hand crank to start your car because you don't trust the new fangled self starters. As for the statement that "Carrying one up the spout without any safety is rather American and certainly not universally held." is not only ridiculous, but reveals that you are totally ignorant of modern firearms and their use, so you should hold your out of date and wrong opinions to yourself. It just brings out how little you know. Actually, its been safe to carry "one up the spout" as you put it since the Germans came out with the Walther PP series of pistols in the 1930's.
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No.People need to think before they post.Really consider if you are contributing to the good of MTo or not.
I was admiring the Kel Tec KSG the other day. I found it while looking for something else entirely.It combines two of my favorite things in firearms- shot guns and bullpups!Seems like an ideal choice for an extended excursion I'm the deep woods. Def
I think I may be wrong with some of my stats above,. Correct me if I am wrong...but the total length must exceed 26". What I do know, you can legally buy a shotgun with a barrel length of 8.5" so long as it is a pump action and factory made. I have seen these in use...and I must say, I wouldn't get one. No room for error in use with such a short barre while cycling the action. On the other hand, such are not considered restricted and tend to be popular anti-wildlife firearms as you cannot legally use a handgun unless you are a trapper or something as such that makes a livelihood out in the forest. Canadian firearm laws are a bit of a mess.
If I had to choose between a UTAS UTS-15 and the Kel Tec KSG...I would go with the KSG myself.
Very interesting. From an engineering perspective, I have to wonder, what's the catch? Almost sounds too good to be true.
It shifts the centre of gravity backwards which may make muzzle climb harder to control, the trigger mechanism needs to have some kind of extended linkage to reach the striker which can stiffen/slow the action and cartridge extraction becomes more complicated, typically for left-handers.
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