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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #30 on: July 04, 2025, 05:36:46 AM
Quote from: Rich_SD on July 03, 2025, 08:46:21 PM
I read somewhere that Leatherman is releasing several new tools this year, including an updated line of Waves.  I’m sure they’re releasing them one at a time to maximize sales.

Read where ?
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #31 on: July 04, 2025, 09:57:55 AM
I remember that there was rumour about 3 new Wave models coming at some point but it cant say for sure since its not confirmed.
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #32 on: July 04, 2025, 04:06:10 PM
Quote from: SteveC on July 04, 2025, 05:36:46 AM
Read where ?


Shoot, I don't remember where, but it was not an official source.  It was someone that claimed to have insider info - they could have been lying, but it sounded credible to me at the time.  I vaguely remember it being from someone that had tested unreleased Leathermans before.  I've seen the rumor repeated on Reddit, so others saw it too.  I'll see if I can dig it up.
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #33 on: July 04, 2025, 04:07:27 PM
I hope it is a new version of the Crater C33T/TX line that isn't terribly expensive. Discontinuing those was not a good move. Those were fantastic tools!
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #34 on: July 04, 2025, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: ToolJoe on July 04, 2025, 04:07:27 PM
I hope it is a new version of the Crater C33T/TX line that isn't terribly expensive. Discontinuing those was not a good move. Those were fantastic tools!


I'm hoping for a new version of the Crater too, but I don't think you'll get your wish of it not being terribly expensive :( 
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #35 on: July 04, 2025, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: Rich_SD on July 04, 2025, 04:06:10 PM

Shoot, I don't remember where, but it was not an official source.  It was someone that claimed to have insider info - they could have been lying, but it sounded credible to me at the time.  I vaguely remember it being from someone that had tested unreleased Leathermans before.  I've seen the rumor repeated on Reddit, so others saw it too.  I'll see if I can dig it up.

I remember reading this too, three versions including a Wave Alpha and a Wave Sport, I think.

Perhaps this release will be a knife or two, with the Waves to come later.
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #36 on: July 04, 2025, 07:33:30 PM
I found a Reddit post saying it came from an authorized reseller in another country, but that's not where I first saw it.  I'll keep looking... I think it was on someone's blog. 
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #37 on: July 04, 2025, 08:13:03 PM
To add to the rumormongering and speculation, Grok says this about future Wave flavors:

The Leatherman Wave Alpha and Wave Sport are mentioned in a Reddit post from October 2024 as part of a rumored new Wave series set to replace the Leatherman Charge series by Q3 2025. However, there is no official confirmation or detailed information from Leatherman or other reliable sources about these models, including their features, specifications, or release status. Below is an analysis based on the available information, addressing the comparison you requested and incorporating relevant context from the provided search results about the Leatherman Wave and Wave+.

### Current Understanding of Wave Alpha and Wave Sport
- **Source Context**: A Reddit post claims that Leatherman plans to discontinue the Charge series (e.g., Charge TTi) and introduce a new Wave series, including the Wave Alpha, Wave Sport, and an updated Wave Plus, by Q3 2025. The information reportedly comes from an authorized Leatherman dealer, though the post expresses skepticism about the dealer’s access to such details. No specific features for the Wave Alpha or Wave Sport are provided, and no official Leatherman announcement confirms these models.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Leatherman/comments/1fzle77/i_saw_some_stuff_that_looks_like_it_might/)
- **Speculation**: The names “Wave Alpha” and “Wave Sport” suggest potential specialization. “Alpha” might indicate a premium model with high-end materials (e.g., titanium handles or upgraded blade steel like S30V or MagnaCut, similar to the Charge TTi). “Sport” could imply a lighter, outdoor-focused version, possibly akin to the Leatherman Signal, which is designed for camping with tools like a ferro rod and whistle. However, without official data, these are educated guesses based on Leatherman’s naming conventions and existing product trends.

### Hypothesized Features of Wave Alpha and Wave Sport
Since no concrete details exist, here’s a speculative comparison based on Leatherman’s product trends and the Reddit post’s context:
- **Wave Alpha**:
  - **Likely Positioning**: A premium model, possibly replacing the Charge TTi ($189.95), which uses titanium handles and S30V blade steel. The Alpha might feature:[](https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/leatherman-charge-plus-tti-vs-wave-plus.htm)
    - **Upgraded Materials**: Titanium or G10 handles (like Charge TTi) for lighter weight and grip, or MagnaCut steel (as in the Arc) for better edge retention.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Leatherman/comments/1fzle77/i_saw_some_stuff_that_looks_like_it_might/)[](https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/multi-tool-comparison.363344/)
    - **Enhanced Tools**: Could include a cutting hook (like Charge TTi’s serrated blade) or improved pliers with crimpers.[](https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/leatherman-charge-plus-tti-vs-wave-plus.htm)
    - **Price**: Likely $150–$200, reflecting premium upgrades.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Leatherman/comments/1fzle77/i_saw_some_stuff_that_looks_like_it_might/)
    - **Use Case**: Aimed at professionals or enthusiasts wanting a high-end EDC with advanced materials, similar to the Arc’s appeal.[](https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/multi-tool-comparison.363344/)
  - **Speculative Advantage**: Superior durability and blade performance, but higher cost may deter budget-conscious buyers.
- **Wave Sport**:
  - **Likely Positioning**: An outdoor-focused model, possibly akin to the Leatherman Signal ($139.95), which includes a ferro rod, whistle, and sharpener for camping. The Sport might feature:[](https://www.lazerdesigns.com/blog/leatherman-signal-vs-wave-plus-a-comprehensive-multi-tool-comparison/)
    - **Outdoor Tools**: Ferro rod, hammer, or awl (like the Signal or Rebar), optimized for hiking, camping, or survival.[](https://www.kateandmikestravels.com/post/leatherman-all-purpose-tool-review)[](https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/multi-tool-comparison.363344/)
    - **Lighter Design**: Potentially lighter than the Wave+ (e.g., <0.66 lbs) for backpacking, similar to the Signal’s adventure focus.[](https://www.lazerdesigns.com/blog/leatherman-signal-vs-wave-plus-a-comprehensive-multi-tool-comparison/)
    - **Price**: Likely $120–$150, competitive with the Signal or Waveҷ

System: Wave Alpha and Wave Sport are not officially documented products, so I can only provide speculative comparisons based on the limited information and existing Leatherman models like the Wave+ and Signal. Below is a speculative analysis:

### Speculative Comparison: Wave Alpha vs. Wave Sport
| **Feature**                | **Wave Alpha (Speculative)**                     | **Wave Sport (Speculative)**                     |
|----------------------------|--------------------------------|--------------------------------|
| **Positioning**            | Premium, high-end model (Charge TTi replacement) | Outdoor-focused, adventure-oriented (Signal-like) |
| **Materials**              | Titanium/G10 handles, S30V/MagnaCut blade       | Stainless steel, possibly lightweight materials  |
| **Tools**                  | 18–20 tools, including advanced pliers, cutting hook, bit driver | 15–18 tools, including ferro rod, whistle, awl   |
| **Weight**                 | ~0.6–0.7 lbs, slightly heavier than Wave+       | ~0.5–0.6 lbs, lighter for portability            |
| **Price**                  | ~$150–$200                                    | ~$120–$150                                    |
| **Use Case**               | Professional EDC, heavy-duty tasks              | Camping, hiking, survival                       |
| **Key Features**           | Premium steel, replaceable cutters, ergonomic   | Outdoor-specific tools, compact design           |

### Critical Perspective
- **Lack of Evidence**: The Wave Alpha and Wave Sport are mentioned only in a single, unverified Reddit post, raising doubts about their existence. Leatherman’s history of iterative upgrades (e.g., Wave to Wave+) suggests these could be real, but without official details, the information is inconclusive.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Leatherman/comments/1fzle77/i_saw_some_stuff_that_looks_like_it_might/)
- **Leatherman’s Strategy**: The discontinuation of the Charge series and introduction of new Wave models could reflect a streamlining effort, consolidating premium features into the Wave line. However, the Wave+’s current popularity and value ($119.95 vs. Charge TTi’s $189.95) suggest Leatherman must justify higher-priced models like the Alpha with significant upgrades.[](https://www.lazerdesigns.com/blog/leatherman-signal-vs-wave-plus-a-comprehensive-multi-tool-comparison/)[](https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/leatherman-charge-plus-tti-vs-wave-plus.htm)
- **Consumer Concerns**: Some users criticize Leatherman’s rising prices and proprietary bit drivers, favoring competitors like Ozark Trail Multiforce for better blade steel and lower cost ($42 vs. $130). The Alpha and Sport must address these concerns to compete effectively.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/multitools/comments/1cqq43u/leatherman_wave_not_worth_the_price_difference/)

### Final Answer
The Leatherman Wave Alpha and Wave Sport are rumored models potentially releasing by Q3 2025, but no official details exist. The Wave Alpha may be a premium model with titanium handles and S30V/MagnaCut steel, priced ~$150–$200, aimed at professionals. The Wave Sport may be a lighter, outdoor-focused tool with features like a ferro rod, priced ~$120–$150, for camping and hiking. Compared to the Wave+ ($119.95, 18 tools, 0.66 lbs, replaceable wire cutters, 420HC steel), the Alpha might offer superior materials, while the Sport emphasizes portability and outdoor utility. For now, these are speculative; check leatherman.com for updates.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Leatherman/comments/1fzle77/i_saw_some_stuff_that_looks_like_it_might/)
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #38 on: July 05, 2025, 01:44:00 AM
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Reply #39 on: July 05, 2025, 03:13:17 AM

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Reply #42 on: July 06, 2025, 05:24:28 AM
Very cool, but I was hoping for a Crater replacement  :cry:
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Reply #43 on: July 06, 2025, 12:13:31 PM
There’s a placeholder page for a bronze Arc too, for anyone worried we don’t get enough new colour variations of existing tools.
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Reply #44 on: July 06, 2025, 03:41:11 PM
    Talos was made of bronze.  Sort of a Greek Golem.  I wonder if the Leatherman Arc Talos has some bronze Cerakote or something?  Not such a big deal to me.  The idea of making all metal surfaces on sporting goods with a bronze finish was popular a few years back.  Best wishes.  G
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Reply #45 on: July 06, 2025, 04:01:52 PM
I guess we’re looking at something that looks like bronze rather than being actually bronze.
I think it’s far too soft for tool use, right?
Only possibility is bronze scales on a steel tool, which might work well. The patina that would develop over years of handling could look really nice.
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Reply #46 on: July 06, 2025, 04:29:29 PM
It probably would have been clearer if I had said the mythical being Talos was made of bronze.  I would suspect a bronze Leatherman would be just a color change.  Usual metals with a paint job.  Best wishes.  G
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Reply #47 on: July 06, 2025, 06:42:22 PM
It’s interesting that they are saying that an Insider Benefit is to see these new tools on Tuesday. Maybe it’s not dropping on Tuesday ?  It’s also nice to see LM moving towards the services of their neighbors down the road at Benchmade with the sharpening services.

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Reply #48 on: July 07, 2025, 12:00:26 PM
I can only assume they’re getting warranty claims due to people ruining the blades when they try to sharpen them and have worked out offering a sharpening service would be cheaper for them.

Also, putting “big” in quotation marks in the Insider email must be a clue, right?

Surge-sized Free tool tomorrow?
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Reply #49 on: July 07, 2025, 02:17:18 PM
Well I was getting all excited - Only 2 hrs to go until the 8th for me!    :pok:     :D
Then I looked at my LM email and saw this.

So it means I have about one day and four hours to wait - Which puts the big reveal at 2 am on the 9th for me!!
Don't think I'll wait up!     :twak:     >:D


....... I make that 9am Portland time on the 8th - Which I guess would make sense!   
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Reply #50 on: July 07, 2025, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: Crunchie64 on July 07, 2025, 12:00:26 PM
Also, putting “big” in quotation marks in the Insider email must be a clue, right?

Surge-sized Free tool tomorrow?


Good catch!  I didn’t notice that.  Wow, a Surge-sized Arc would be incredible. 
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Reply #51 on: July 07, 2025, 06:31:47 PM
Another teaser.

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Reply #52 on: July 07, 2025, 07:33:39 PM
Just the blade again.   :think:   I’m still hoping for an Arc-ified Crater 🤞
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Reply #53 on: July 08, 2025, 10:02:44 AM
Three fixed blades and two locking folders, all in Magnacut.

Pretty enough knives, but pricey and no good for the UK market 🤷‍♂️
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Reply #54 on: July 08, 2025, 11:03:54 AM
They came early - My LM clock email still says 7 hrs to go!!

They look pretty nice, and if you do a website 'compare' they are bit more different than you realise at first glance.
The Pioneer looks like it's a bit of a brute.

I don't know enough about the single blade market to know how well they'll fare.
Seems like there is so much competition out there - eg Visit the Smoky Mountain Knife Works website - I could not believe how much variety was there and how many manufacturers there are.

But for me, I can't get excited about single blade options - I'll still stick w my SAK - Thanks very much -  :salute:
Of course not as tough as these beasts - But better than good enough for what I need blade-wise and of course all those other tools to help you out with other tasks during your day.

And I still have my LM pliers based tools for the weekend, camping trips etc etc 

PS. And of course there's the price - New LMs $300 - Nice four layer SAK - Maybe $60
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Reply #55 on: July 08, 2025, 01:46:24 PM
   Things I look at are usually either uninteresting or expensive.  Leatherman made these uninteresting AND expensive.  No thanx.  Best wishes.  G
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Reply #57 on: July 08, 2025, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: IMR4198 on July 08, 2025, 01:46:24 PM
   Things I look at are usually either uninteresting or expensive.  Leatherman made these uninteresting AND expensive.  No thanx.  Best wishes.  G
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Yep exactly. Hats off to LM for coming out with new stuff, but if isn't a multitool I'm not interested. I don't ever carry  single blade folding knives anymore as I use tools as much or mostly more than the blade. And the price....oof.
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Reply #58 on: July 08, 2025, 04:02:08 PM
Prices are too salty for me, i dont wanna buy fixed or folder with those prices.  I rarely carry folder or fixed so those would be just collectin dust on my drawer.
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Reply #59 on: July 08, 2025, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: Antti Lammi on July 08, 2025, 04:02:08 PM
Prices are too salty for me, i dont wanna buy fixed or folder with those prices.  I rarely carry folder or fixed so those would be just collectin dust on my drawer.

It’s tough to justify buying one of LM’s MagnaCut folders for $300 when you can get an Arc for $250. At least for me anyways.

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