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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #90 on: July 10, 2025, 01:48:33 PM
UNPOPULAR OPINION INCOMING: To say I'm underwhelmed is an understatement. LM seems like they haven't really been trying over the last few years; their first foray into the knife world was less than stellar, and the ARC line really so much a product improvement as a "gee whiz" sort of side step. All this while they are discontinuing items that could have been been majorly fantastic with a little more thought put into them - the Juice and Squirt series. And the cost? Stupid expensive for what they are. Want to make a million bucks? Introduce something people want to buy and make it affordable.

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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #91 on: July 10, 2025, 02:08:52 PM
As a business model, its a good bet that Leatherman knows what it is doing with its new knife lineup.  Several years ago, Benchmade abandoned the reasonably-priced knife market and adopted the premium pricing strategy.  Much like Leatherman appears to be doing.  And unfortunately for the consumer, it worked!  One of their most popular knives, maybe the most popular, the Bugout series, has a pretty high MSRP for it is - thin, plastic scales (that you can bend with 2 fingers), and a little bit of blade steel.  But they are big sellers.  This only works because the consumer will get out his credit card and pay $180 - $240 for a cheapy little plastic knife.

The difference between Leatherman and Benchmade, IMO, is that the Bugout series is much more appealing than what Leatherman is offering at a much higher price.

Leatherman has surely done its market research, and thinks that the phat margin on a $300 knife will counteract what will likely be fairly low sales numbers relative to the competition.  And then in a year, Leatherman will have a 20% off sale like it just did with the Wave+ and Rebar, and a $260 Leatherman knife will seem like a "bargain".
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #92 on: July 10, 2025, 03:10:48 PM
Quote from: powernoodle on July 10, 2025, 12:50:44 PM
Unfortunately for the consumer, Portland has one of the highest business tax burdens in America which invariably gets passed on to the consumer.  A new facility in Texas or Tennessee could have reduced that burden, and likely the MSRP, but no one asked me.


As a resident of California, don't even get me started!  :rofl:   EVERYTHING is overpriced thanks to inflated energy costs, high taxes, and very high minimum wage (which drives up all salaries).  We successfully chased Buck Knives away from their home here in San Diego due to the price of doing business here  :rant:

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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #93 on: July 10, 2025, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: powernoodle on July 10, 2025, 02:08:52 PM
As a business model, its a good bet that Leatherman knows what it is doing with its new knife lineup.  Several years ago, Benchmade abandoned the reasonably-priced knife market and adopted the premium pricing strategy.  Much like Leatherman appears to be doing.  And unfortunately for the consumer, it worked!  One of their most popular knives, maybe the most popular, the Bugout series, has a pretty high MSRP for it is - thin, plastic scales (that you can bend with 2 fingers), and a little bit of blade steel.  But they are big sellers.  This only works because the consumer will get out his credit card and pay $180 - $240 for a cheapy little plastic knife.

The difference between Leatherman and Benchmade, IMO, is that the Bugout series is much more appealing than what Leatherman is offering at a much higher price.

Leatherman has surely done its market research, and thinks that the phat margin on a $300 knife will counteract what will likely be fairly low sales numbers relative to the competition.  And then in a year, Leatherman will have a 20% off sale like it just did with the Wave+ and Rebar, and a $260 Leatherman knife will seem like a "bargain".

I just did a little browsing, and Benchmade knives with Magnacut blades are $300 and up. The prices on some of them make Leatherman’s new knives look like a reasonably priced alternative.   :o
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #94 on: July 10, 2025, 04:19:29 PM
Or neither is reasonable.   :cheers:
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #95 on: July 10, 2025, 05:28:11 PM
A few thoughts.

For the folders, $300 for a lock that isn’t special and no spring assist is a gutsy move.  I mean, other than MagnaCut there is nothing special going on.

I really like the look of the hunting knife. The black is real sharp. That being said, it’s the same price as their limited Garage editions, making these price point questionable. IDK, maybe the Garage stuff is too cheap.

Lastly, that sheath looks like the same cheap leather that they have been using. I don’t wanna go have to spend another $60-80 on another sheath after spending $300.

Overall, I think the fixed blades are probably really nice. Something doesn’t sit right with me with the folders though.  I’m holding off to see some reviews and I might buy a fixed blade that I need like another hole in my head.

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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #96 on: July 10, 2025, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: powernoodle on July 10, 2025, 04:19:29 PM
Or neither is reasonable.   :cheers:

I can agree with that!   Honestly, I wouldn’t have bought any of them if they were Benchmade, but I’m not really a knife guy.  I collect Leathemans, so I had to get a few to try out. 
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #97 on: July 10, 2025, 05:41:54 PM
Rich, let us know how you like the knifes when they arrive. I am looking forward to getting your insight.

Here is a link to a review David Bowen posted.



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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #98 on: July 10, 2025, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: JonesE on July 10, 2025, 05:41:54 PM
Rich, let us know how you like the knifes when they arrive. I am looking forward to getting your insight.

Will do  :cheers:
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #99 on: July 10, 2025, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: JonesE on July 10, 2025, 05:41:54 PM
Rich, let us know how you like the knifes when they arrive. I am looking forward to getting your insight.

Here is a link to a review David Bowen posted.



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I was finally able to watch this.  Great review 👍.  I’m even more excited to get my hands on mine. 
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #100 on: July 10, 2025, 08:57:02 PM
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Reply #101 on: July 11, 2025, 12:45:34 AM
^^^ Interesting LM video - 5 minutes of blank screen and nothing happening (presumably as everyone gathered in the meeting room)   ...... Why did they not edit this out?   :pok: :think:

So folks please zoom the video to 5+ mins to get to the start
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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #102 on: July 11, 2025, 12:49:39 AM
Quote from: Rich_SD on July 10, 2025, 08:55:52 PM
I was finally able to watch this.  Great review 👍.  I’m even more excited to get my hands on mine.

I'm impressed overall but hadn't used it yet. I work tomorrow and plan on giving it a workout. I've noticed upon opening the blade slowly there's blade rub. The tolerances and clearance is very tight but somehow the blade isn't completely centered. I'll see if I can tweak things to fix that. I'm also interested what makes the lock patent pending and will disassemble when I'm feeling froggy. I don't think it's worth $300, $200-250 maybe. I keep expecting some sort of whiz bang material or special something but it's kind of average. I think the steel with all that milling and lack of hardware is their special thing about it. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, it was a lot of rambling but it was me just dialoguing as I'm checking things out.
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Reply #103 on: July 11, 2025, 02:04:48 AM
Quote from: Rich_SD on July 10, 2025, 08:55:52 PM
I was finally able to watch this.  Great review 👍.  I’m even more excited to get my hands on mine.
Yeah - Nice one David - When I saw 18 minutes - I thought to myself - "Hmmm too long"
But you completely held my attention - not 'ramblings' at all - interesting comments and observations IMHO
I watched it to the end, learnt a lot, and found it very useful.  :salute:  :tu:   :D
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Reply #104 on: July 11, 2025, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: David Bowen on July 11, 2025, 12:49:39 AM
I'm impressed overall but hadn't used it yet. I work tomorrow and plan on giving it a workout. I've noticed upon opening the blade slowly there's blade rub. The tolerances and clearance is very tight but somehow the blade isn't completely centered. I'll see if I can tweak things to fix that. I'm also interested what makes the lock patent pending and will disassemble when I'm feeling froggy. I don't think it's worth $300, $200-250 maybe. I keep expecting some sort of whiz bang material or special something but it's kind of average. I think the steel with all that milling and lack of hardware is their special thing about it. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, it was a lot of rambling but it was me just dialoguing as I'm checking things out.

Great video. I’m interested in hearing how you think it compares to your Mini Osborne which comes in at the same price.

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Reply #105 on: July 12, 2025, 12:44:16 AM
David, I just wanted to follow up with you and see if you were able to get your pivot adjusted to your liking? For the blade rubbing the handle, here is a trick I learned many years ago to help center the blades on a Benchmade. After you have the pivot adjusted to your desired tension. Open the knife and make sure the blade is locked. Point the knife away from you with the spine towards the floor . Firmly grasp the handle. Then carefully flex the blade in the direction that it was contacting or closest to the scale. This will shift the blade over. Close the blade and recheck the center. You may need to do this a couple of times to get it to center.

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Reply #106 on: July 12, 2025, 01:23:05 AM
Here's the teardown, the liner spring is on a pin and tucked under part of the handle. The lock itself is solid and it sits in front of the spring. I honestly thought stuff was held together etc but no it's just machined tightly. I have not resolved the blade rub and I've tried a few things to no avail. I'll continue to tinker and see if I can remedy things. Other than the blade rub I'm growing to love the knife.

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Re: Is something coming...?
Reply #107 on: July 12, 2025, 02:57:08 AM
Put a gut hook on that thing and it'd be a great hunting knife

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Reply #108 on: July 13, 2025, 07:10:04 PM
More on possible wave alpha

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Reply #109 on: July 13, 2025, 07:25:57 PM
  A thumb stud for opening on the blade instead of the cut out.  Interesting.  Best wishes.  G
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Reply #110 on: July 13, 2025, 08:19:45 PM
LM's hole implementation has never been as good as Vic or Spydie's, but that stud doesn't look very handy...
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Reply #111 on: July 14, 2025, 01:33:48 AM
Quote from: BPRoberts on July 13, 2025, 08:19:45 PM
LM's hole implementation has never been as good as Vic or Spydie's, but that stud doesn't look very handy...

I actually prefer the hole because thumb studs can get in the way.  Although, I'm not minding the thumb stud on the Arc.
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Reply #112 on: July 14, 2025, 03:06:57 AM
Yeah, I'm also pro hole. Just wish we could get a rounder one.
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Reply #113 on: July 15, 2025, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: cdcengineer on July 13, 2025, 07:10:04 PM
More on possible wave alpha

This video is pretty interesting - The guy is talking about the new Wave as if this is actually how it will be
Whereas, all it is based on is a Reddit image ???    :think:
Although the image looks pretty genuine and I guess the speculation has been around for a while!

I was also puzzled by the Magnacut blade - as I thought that was reserved for premium models
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Reply #114 on: July 15, 2025, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: Huntsman on July 15, 2025, 02:21:55 PM
This video is pretty interesting - The guy is talking about the new Wave as if this is actually how it will be
Whereas, all it is based on is a Reddit image ???    :think:
Although the image looks pretty genuine and I guess the speculation has been around for a while!

I was also puzzled by the Magnacut blade - as I thought that was reserved for premium models


I was wondering the same thing.  The market is so flooded with cheap multitools, I suspect that Leatherman is putting a lot of focus on premium tools.  Hopefully they will continue to make new, more affordable tools as well.
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Reply #115 on: July 16, 2025, 03:45:41 AM
I think we have to see the Wave Alpha as a Charge replacement rather than a direct Wave+ successor.
That would explain the premium steel.
The rumours I saw months ago mentioned three new members of the family called the Alpha, Sport, and something else.
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Reply #116 on: July 17, 2025, 06:45:26 PM
Many social media comments have hypothesized that the supposed "leak" of the Alpha Wave pics was timed to distract from the almost universal thumbs down on Leatherman's recent knife release.

I don't like being Mr. Grumpy, but if the Alpha is a Wave/Charge with Magnacut and G10 for $300, its another yawner.

 :dunno:

I recently bought a NexTool S11 Pro (pics in the Reviews forum) which is more or less like the former Leatherman PS4.  It was $29 with excellent design and manufacturing, and gives me more fun and leg tingle than another super-spendy MT.

Even so, I may be like Brother Rich and buy one anyway.   :rofl:   :ahhh
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Reply #117 on: July 17, 2025, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: powernoodle on July 17, 2025, 06:45:26 PM

Even so, I may be like Brother Rich and buy one anyway.   :rofl:   :ahhh

Guilty as charged  :cheers:

I’m actually more interested in the new scissor design for the Wave.  I assume it’s going to be a slightly smaller version of how the Surge is set up. If that’s the case, they’ll have to remove one of the larger tools, and it better not be the diamond coated file  :rant:
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Reply #118 on: July 17, 2025, 08:53:41 PM
It's weird, and kind of disappointing, to see Roxon and Nextool slowly turning into the next big multitool companies. At first, it was just nice to get half decent budget tools, and rerelases of old designs that the other companies had retired. But now they're starting to actually innovate (double plier/scissor tools, modular flex, etc.) more than Leatherman too. Gerber's still chugging along with their small/speSmurfpillst multitools, but their last big release was the Dual Force years ago.
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Reply #119 on: July 27, 2025, 06:15:56 PM
Assuming that these are not fake, what do you think?  I love the change to the scissors, but I'm not happy with it replacing the serrated blade.  I would had rather lost the saw.  That said, it's much better than losing the diamond-coated file.  The addition of the awl is very cool too!  Overall, I really like it, but nothing I need.




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