Dutch Army Knives

[Myron]

Agamemnon,

These are really fantastic.  How generally available are they?  Do you find them for sale in the Netherlands commonly, or must you know someone who has one?   

Thanks for posting; I really enjoy learning about these tools from your posts.

Myron

[Rapidray]

 

[Wspeed]

Excellent collection Agamemnon 

[Agamemnon]

 
Thanks guys

These knives are sold very occasionally, so they are rare. (Emptying the parents' house is sometimes a reason.)

If you join the Navy, you get such a knife. Your registration number was written on this knife; it was really your knife. If you left the navy, you took your knife with you and it remained yours forever. So we don’t give away our knife.

The Dutch Veterans have a magazine, called "Checkpoint" and I occasionally ask if anyone wants to give up his knife. This happens very occasionally; the only reason they want to do this is that they are afraid that the children want to get rid of the knife because they have "nothing" with the knife. In that case they prefer to give the knife to a ‘B.I.A.’

[SirVicaLot]

Thanks for posting! 

[Rapidray]

Thanks guys

These knives are sold very occasionally, so they are rare. (Emptying the parents' house is sometimes a reason.)

If you join the Navy, you get such a knife. Your registration number was written on this knife; it was really your knife. If you left the navy, you took your knife with you and it remained yours forever. So we don’t give away our knife.

The Dutch Veterans have a magazine, called "Checkpoint" and I occasionally ask if anyone wants to give up his knife. This happens very occasionally; the only reason they want to do this is that they are afraid that the children want to get rid of the knife because they have "nothing" with the knife. In that case they prefer to give the knife to a ‘B.I.A.’

That is some great info and history 

[Guardian]

Re post; There are also black pouches for the Vic KL 2010 knives. These are used by the Military Police ('Koninklijke Marechaussee') on their black ops vests.
Very hard to get in a descent condition


Found this picture which shows the black pouch been worn on a duty belt......

[Agamemnon]

and of course I also have these pouches in my collection:
There are 2 types of these pouches (as far as I know):
1) Alice clip (the older ones, in woodland and desert config.)  they were used for the DAK93,
2) Molle (the new ones, in woodland en black (KMAR) config, used for the DAK2010.

And of course the 'special' ones: Leatherman (SuperTool) with Interservice logo, and Victorinox (SwissTool) with 11 Luchtmobile Brigade logo (11 Air Assault Brigade). The 11 LMB was a Xmas present (I think it was in 1997) for the brigade.
 
 

[Agamemnon]

and the other pictures

[SirVicaLot]

You got one nice collection! 

[Rapidray]

That is a great collection of sheaths you have there! 

[Guardian]

and of course I also have these pouches in my collection:
There are 2 types of these pouches (as far as I know):
1) Alice clip (the older ones, in woodland and desert config.)  they were used for the DAK93,
2) Molle (the new ones, in woodland en black (KMAR) config, used for the DAK2010.

And of course the 'special' ones: Leatherman (SuperTool) with Interservice logo, and Victorinox (SwissTool) with 11 Luchtmobile Brigade logo (11 Air Assault Brigade). The 11 LMB was a Xmas present (I think it was in 1997) for the brigade.

 

So does the KMAR pouch hold the DAK2010 or the Swisstool? 

[Agamemnon]

Yes Guardian, the DAK 2010 fits in the black KMAR pouch (issued to KMAR) but also in the Woodland version (issued to the 'others', and the Victorinox Spirit-BO goes into the brown pouch with the interservice logo (also in my collection)

[Agamemnon]

 
Another part of my collection Dutch Army Knives are the Lineman Tools.
My Lineman knives vary from new (never used) to heavily used.
1)   Belzer; new, out of the toolbox;
2)   R, Herder; new, out of the same toolbox;
3)   R. Herder; new, out of the same toolbox;
4)   R. Herder, (with Dutch Lion on the blade);
5)   Camillus – TL29; issued to Dutch Signal Corps;
6)   CC Klein - Hawkbill, complete with pouch and pliers; In use between 1950 1965;
7)   Unbranded – marked 4630 on the scale; in use before 1940. I don’t know (yet) what the digits mean
   Unbranded – KLU: Lets Knife used at Deelen Airbase. In the late 40s and early 50s, classrooms for theory and practice were housed here as part of the LTS and LETS (Electricity and Instrument Technology). The LETS Deelen (Electronic and Technical School Air Force) was a continuation of LETS Langham (England)
9)   Unbranded - RP 67. Issued to the “Bescherming Bevolking” The Population Protection (BB) was the Dutch civil protection organization that was established in 1952 to protect the population in time of war. The organization was set up after the English model where civil protection had played an important role during the Second World War. From the 1970s, less money went to the BB all the time. On December 7, 1981, the Minister of the Interior announced that the BB would be phased out. The BB was formally abolished on 11 June 1986.
10)   Unbranded – green scales – KL. The knife was in use in the 1st half of the 1950s. It is believed that it was also made by Amefa. It was issued to the Mobile Colonnes Corps (KMC), a part of the Dutch armed forces that existed from 1955 to the end of 1992 and was aimed at emergency aid, especially in wartime. The purpose of the KMC was to support the Population Protection (BB).

[Agamemnon]

and the rest

[Agamemnon]

and more:

[Rapidray]

Yes Guardian, the DAK 2010 fits in the black KMAR pouch (issued to KMAR) but also in the Woodland version (issued to the 'others', and the Victorinox Spirit-BO goes into the brown pouch with the interservice logo (also in my collection)

Oh boy, those are beautiful 

[Rapidray]

Great collection you have there! 

[EMZ]

Here an overview of all the DAK's with date stamp.
If you have any additions, please let me know.

[Agamemnon]

 
Another part of my collection of Dutch army knives / daggers are the Storm daggers.
It took me many years to get these together.

I only miss the successor to the storm dagger: it was introduced in the 1960s for the Marine Corps and was made in the United States.
It is a conversion based on the American M4 carbine bayonet, with an American handle of composite leather rings, modified aluminium hilt knob and slender guard; in addition an American plastic sheath model US M8A1, with webbing support and metal tip reinforcement. It was a very limited number of daggers (about 5,000 items) and were around 1997 all destroyed.

The Storm dagger was specially developed and introduced for the storm troops, founded in 1917. The storm troops were elite soldiers who had to lead the regular troops in an attack. The First World War was characterized by man-to-man fighting in the trenches. The military authorities thought that there should be a weapon suitable for such a fight. It became the dagger. This dagger was nicknamed 'Storm dagger', because the storm troops started using it.

In October 1917 an order was placed at the Artillery Establishments in Haarlem for the manufacture of 30,000 daggers, possibly 50,000 items. In April 1918 the management of the Artillery Institutions announced that the production of 50,000 pieces would soon be completed. Although an order was made for 30,000 and not yet for the other 20,000 daggers, the parties involved were not bothered about that.

The storm dagger remained in use until 1924. Around that year, most of the daggers disappeared into the depots because the storm troops were disbanded. Only in the last months of 1939 were the daggers removed from the depot due to the mobilization. On April 17, 1940, the commander-in-chief reported that there were no more daggers in stock at that time.
Of the 50,000 copies, 2,780 were issued to the Marine Corps.
The daggers were given a serial number, a number with a letter.

A number of variants of the storm dagger; from left to right:
• First model storm dagger (without strap)
• Storm dagger marines (with screw through the handle)
• Storm dagger for the navy (with navy numbering)
• Storm dagger for mounted officers (factory-converted carrying loop)
• Storm dagger for mounted officers (with privately converted carrying loop)
• The general storm dagger KL (most common variant)
• Storm dagger for the navy (with two navy plates on the back)

[Rapidray]

What a great piece of history! You have a great collection there 

[Wspeed]

  Very nice 

[Guardian]

 Just got to love those stormdolks! 

[Agamemnon]

 

My latest addition to my 'lineman tools'
* N Klein (1977);
* Z Klein (1988);
* TL-29, Herm. Spicker, Wuppertal

[Wspeed]

Nice collection 

[Rapidray]

  

[Myron]

Agamemnon,

Nice set!  I have a Camillus TL-29 that's a bit older.  1970's, I think.  I don't use it as a pocket knife, but it's such a heavy duty piece of kit that it makes a great throw-it-in-your-car-glovebox tool.  The screwdriver alone is worth having nearby. 

Again, very cool collection you have there.

Myron

[Agamemnon]

 

Thanks guys.

big - bigger -  Biggest

on a rainy and stormy Saturday: a comparison between an American and a Dutch army knife (both in my collection)

[Wspeed]

Nice 

[cody6268]

First good comparison of one of those that I have seen! Those things are a monster!

Been looking at getting one of these for ages. They can be quite expensive; especially if they are Colonial. The unmarked; made by United Machine out of MI; are often much less expensive.  Plus, finding them without a broken saw blade can be difficult.