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The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!

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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1290 on: September 09, 2016, 05:37:23 PM

Queen is my favorite brand right now but I look at Queen as a nice working knife. I tend to look at GEC as a nice work or collector knife but they're not cheap. Queen puts out a nice knife for the price but they can put out a real lemon from time to time.

I think they are trying to split the difference between quality and price.

I agree completely, and I don't mean to go on about their quality issues, but I just haven't had a good track record with them.  I've had several Queen turds and no Case turds, and I've owned many more Cases.  However, materials-wise, Queen is definitely a step above Case.  The Queens I have that are built right are very nice knives, and near the quality of GEC.  I probably shouldn't compare Queen and Case due to the size and resources of the two companies, and I definitely shouldn't compare Queen to GEC due to the price point.  We also should consider that Queen has gone through some serious management and ownership changes in the last several years.  I want to support Queen more than either of them due to these struggles, but I do find it difficult sometimes.

There aren't many companies making traditional pocket knives in modern steels. I think Queen's problem is D2 is very hard to work with. D2 can't be stamped out by the thousands like CV and it takes a lot more sanding belts and time to work. Maybe a switch to 154CM would help them hit their price point with better quality.

This is a great point, and not something I had really thought about.  Since D2's primary use is for building the stamps themselves, I'm sure it's not easy or cheap to stamp out D2 blanks.


They could raise the price and add more quality checks but what would that do to their market?
I bought a walnut barlow onetime that had a blade so loose you could open it, shake it & listen to the blade rattle.
I sent it back to the factory with a note to please replace it. Two weeks later I got a very nice replacement.

My two blade barlow is well fit and finished. If you open it and hold it to a light there is a little light showing thru the back springs in one 1//2” area. In the half stop the pen blade spring is a little proud.
It is what it is, I love it & I'm keeping it.

Sounds like they're good with customer service, and that is extremely important.  I probably should send my teardrop jack in to see if they will improve the fit or replace it.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1291 on: September 09, 2016, 05:41:32 PM


Sounds like they're good with customer service, and that is extremely important.  I probably should send my teardrop jack in to see if they will improve the fit or replace it.

I'll should warn you their replacement process is fast but their repair can be very slow at times.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1292 on: September 09, 2016, 05:43:23 PM
Day 24
Home stretch! I'm lichen this knife.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1293 on: September 09, 2016, 05:52:00 PM
Wow !  some nice ones today  :cheers:

Love that Copperhead  :drool:


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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1294 on: September 09, 2016, 05:53:44 PM
Day 24
Home stretch! I'm lichen this knife.

ah... ah...  I see what you did there!  ;)
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1295 on: September 09, 2016, 05:55:52 PM
Day 24
Home stretch! I'm lichen this knife.

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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1296 on: September 09, 2016, 05:57:16 PM
Thanks for the kind words on the Copperhead guys.  I am proud to own that one.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1297 on: September 09, 2016, 06:27:18 PM
RR single blade small barlow today.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1298 on: September 09, 2016, 07:00:27 PM
NICE!
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1299 on: September 09, 2016, 07:04:59 PM
-Knívleysur maður er lívleysur maður.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1300 on: September 09, 2016, 09:02:27 PM
RR single blade small barlow today.
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Is that the same size as mine?  Neat little knives those.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1301 on: September 09, 2016, 10:59:34 PM
One thing I don't like about many stockmans is how "proud" the sheepsfoot blade rests outside the frame.  Case seems particularly bad about this--the sowbelly #39 is ridiculous.  There is no reason for that blade to stick out like that.  They could sink that blade much deeper in the frame if they would just put the nail nick on the back side.  I see that this one is configured that way, which is a good sign.

Well, looky here at this thread.  Note that the older Case Sowbellies had the nick on the backside as I suggested, and that the guy in post #12 filed his kick down (perfectly, I might add) on the exact knife I have: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1247399-Case-6339-Sowbelly-Stockman
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1302 on: September 10, 2016, 02:00:49 AM
Day 25

Case Mini Trapper in chestnut bone CV. Having trouble with Flickr on my phone tonight so it's attached.

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Nevermind, it won't attach so I'll have to get it this weekend when I get back to my computer. Sorry guys.
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1303 on: September 10, 2016, 02:16:33 AM
Day 24

I really like these Railsplitters. At 3 5/8 they are right in my 3.5 to 3.75 preferred length and they just look like you could split rails with them.

Really nice Dean!!!
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1304 on: September 10, 2016, 02:20:07 AM
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1305 on: September 10, 2016, 02:21:30 AM
A big Schrade USA 296SC Trapper today (along with my Bushcrafter).
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Those Schrade+ blades are ground thin just like I like 'em on a Trapper making it a real slicer!

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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1306 on: September 10, 2016, 02:22:22 AM
It's a Sodbuster Jr kind of day here. :)



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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1307 on: September 10, 2016, 02:23:59 AM
Day 24
Home stretch! I'm lichen this knife.

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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1308 on: September 10, 2016, 02:24:25 AM
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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1309 on: September 10, 2016, 02:50:12 AM
Finally got that nasty chip out of the 1961 Imperial MIL-K today, but I ended up with a funky shaped blade since I didn't keep it at the right angle on the stone--I'm embarrassed with the final result.  So, I carried it along with my Buck 110.

I think that the MIL-K is one of the few knives that might actually be somewhat better than a Vic.  Rat trap springs, especially on the cap lifter, beefier tools (it's the width of a three-layer Vic despite only being a two-layer knife), and a bail.  If it had a sharp awl and the fact that they used a metal so that the MIL-Ks didn't have the reputation of having brittle metal, especially on the springs (that's why I didn't open  everything at once in the photo, as it's one of the few still with great springs, my Camillus from '79, sadly already has a broken openers layer spring, which was the way I got it cheaply), it would be better than a Vic.   It's definitely miles ahead in quality compared to that Kamp-King scout knife, also by Imperial that I posted earlier.


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Reply #1310 on: September 10, 2016, 03:27:06 AM
Finally got that nasty chip out of the 1961 Imperial MIL-K today, but I ended up with a funky shaped blade since I didn't keep it at the right angle on the stone--I'm embarrassed with the final result.  So, I carried it along with my Buck 110.

I think that the MIL-K is one of the few knives that might actually be somewhat better than a Vic.  Rat trap springs, especially on the cap lifter, beefier tools (it's the width of a three-layer Vic despite only being a two-layer knife), and a bail.  If it had a sharp awl and the fact that they used a metal so that the MIL-Ks didn't have the reputation of having brittle metal, especially on the springs (that's why I didn't open  everything at once in the photo, as it's one of the few still with great springs, my Camillus from '79, sadly already has a broken openers layer spring, which was the way I got it cheaply), it would be better than a Vic.   It's definitely miles ahead in quality compared to that Kamp-King scout knife, also by Imperial that I posted earlier.

It's a shame they're not making MIL-K's any more. I carried one long before I thought about SAK's.
There's the Marbles Outdoors Knives 278 G.I. Utility Knife. It's is a Chinese import, that I hate to say is in some ways better than the original MIL-K.
The MIL-K was built to military specs to meet a price point, the government wasn't worried about pretty.
Not an exact copy the blades are mounted entirely different & it's better polished than the KIL-K.
 
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Reply #1311 on: September 10, 2016, 03:33:44 AM
I had to dig thru the PC but I knew I had a pic hidden in there somewhere.


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Reply #1312 on: September 10, 2016, 04:03:38 AM
Right on. Cool pics! Very interesting cool little knife. With a serious bailer too!!  ::)
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Reply #1313 on: September 10, 2016, 06:12:15 AM
12/30 traditional: my gentlemans carry doing gentleman work... Bills...  :facepalm:
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Reply #1314 on: September 10, 2016, 07:34:27 AM
RR single blade small barlow today.
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Is that the same size as mine?  Neat little knives those.

I think it is. Its tiny, but spurprisingly usefull. :)
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Reply #1315 on: September 10, 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Finally got that nasty chip out of the 1961 Imperial MIL-K today, but I ended up with a funky shaped blade since I didn't keep it at the right angle on the stone--I'm embarrassed with the final result.  So, I carried it along with my Buck 110.

I think that the MIL-K is one of the few knives that might actually be somewhat better than a Vic.  Rat trap springs, especially on the cap lifter, beefier tools (it's the width of a three-layer Vic despite only being a two-layer knife), and a bail.  If it had a sharp awl and the fact that they used a metal so that the MIL-Ks didn't have the reputation of having brittle metal, especially on the springs (that's why I didn't open  everything at once in the photo, as it's one of the few still with great springs, my Camillus from '79, sadly already has a broken openers layer spring, which was the way I got it cheaply), it would be better than a Vic.   It's definitely miles ahead in quality compared to that Kamp-King scout knife, also by Imperial that I posted earlier.

It's a shame they're not making MIL-K's any more. I carried one long before I thought about SAK's.
There's the Marbles Outdoors Knives 278 G.I. Utility Knife. It's is a Chinese import, that I hate to say is in some ways better than the original MIL-K.
The MIL-K was built to military specs to meet a price point, the government wasn't worried about pretty.
Not an exact copy the blades are mounted entirely different & it's better polished than the KIL-K.

I too thought they stopped making them when Ontario discontinued their MIL-K, which they called a "Camp Knife". Colonial, apparently,  has got the contract from Ontario, and they're dated 2016 (I guess Ontario's contract ended last year).  They're about $25 and sold as "Military Scout Knife", but Colonial makes a lot of stuff in China, and a few things (most of the military spec knives like the USN Deck Knife and switchblades) here. So, I'm not sure where it's made.
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Reply #1316 on: September 10, 2016, 02:51:56 PM
The military contract ended several years ago, they issue the MP600 now. Any patent on the MIL-K has expired as well.
So any one making them now is free to copy or modify the original.

I've never seen the Ontario version. I saw the Colonial at our local gun & knife show and wasn't impressed with the can & bottle opener.

I waned to retire my MIL-K so I took a chance on the Marbles 278 G.I., I'm happy with it. The same 440A as the MIL-K but the springs are lighter so maybe springs will hold up better. At the time I think they were $9.00, the same store has them for $12.00 now.


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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1317 on: September 10, 2016, 02:52:30 PM
Finally got that nasty chip out of the 1961 Imperial MIL-K today, but I ended up with a funky shaped blade since I didn't keep it at the right angle on the stone--I'm embarrassed with the final result.  So, I carried it along with my Buck 110.

I think that the MIL-K is one of the few knives that might actually be somewhat better than a Vic.  Rat trap springs, especially on the cap lifter, beefier tools (it's the width of a three-layer Vic despite only being a two-layer knife), and a bail.  If it had a sharp awl and the fact that they used a metal so that the MIL-Ks didn't have the reputation of having brittle metal, especially on the springs (that's why I didn't open  everything at once in the photo, as it's one of the few still with great springs, my Camillus from '79, sadly already has a broken openers layer spring, which was the way I got it cheaply), it would be better than a Vic.   It's definitely miles ahead in quality compared to that Kamp-King scout knife, also by Imperial that I posted earlier.


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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1318 on: September 10, 2016, 02:53:54 PM
12/30 traditional: my gentlemans carry doing gentleman work... Bills...  :facepalm:

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Re: The 30 Day "Traditional" Challenge!
Reply #1319 on: September 10, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
The military contract ended several years ago, they issue the MP600 now. Any patent on the MIL-K has expired as well.
So any one making them now is free to copy or modify the original.

I've never seen the Ontario version. I saw the Colonial at our local gun & knife show and wasn't impressed with the can & bottle opener.

I waned to retire my MIL-K so I took a chance on the Marbles 278 G.I., I'm happy with it. The same 440A as the MIL-K but the springs are lighter so maybe springs will hold up better. At the time I think they were $9.00, the same store has them for $12.00 now.

My two are Camillus.  The '77 was bought off a PX in Germany and gifted me by my cousin. The '05 was bought several years ago.

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