Sorry to hear you had a rough time with it Kevin. It is a shame these issues were predictable from the moment these tools were released, without even needing to handle them.I'm sticking with my prediction that these will be discontinued by 2019 at the very latest. However, I do hope you get a serviceable tool back, and you do manage to get some decent use out of it before the pivot wear renders it unusable again, or the investment cast parts fail.
Thank you I'm guessing you're not a gerber fan
I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on?
Quote from: Kevin Davey on May 19, 2017, 10:16:45 PMThank you I'm guessing you're not a gerber fanI am actually. I think I might still have more Gerbers than Leatherman. Big fan of the MP400, MP600, Diesel and even the much maligned Dime.Quote from: mikekoz on May 20, 2017, 01:19:28 AM I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? 25 years in mechanical engineering, and a lot of experience with the Gerber MP700. I have a thread somewhere highlighting the wear that occurs on spring plier heads, showing photos of my own MP700s - one that is essentially unused, and another that wore out very quickly. You can see side by side shots of the effects of the wear. The play that develops means the cutters can clash and disintegrate if used right handed, and have a substantial air gap if used left handed. As for the investment cast parts, castings are strong under compression, not tension or torsion - although I must admit, I am still waiting for my first pics of the failed driver arm and pry tool.Ironically, I still like the MP700, but it wears out significantly faster than other tools
Could we have a link for that thread, please?
Mines winging it's way back to Gerber now. They will only do the repair/replace from their factory in Portland. If it was a leatherman I could have sent it to their UK main distributor, another black mark for Gerber.I had a good look at it before I parceled up, you'd have thought they would have had a U shank saw adapter instead of the serrated blade. When it gets back to me in 6 to 8 weeks time it will be a mod to do. I could also mod some scissors from a SAK to fit in a U shank adapter.
Kevin, I am sorry I missed this earlier. Crap, if I'd have known that it was messed up I wouldn't have sent it. I'm sorry and quite horrified by this. I really like the Center Drive myself, but if I had those issues with mine I'd have been super pissed too.If there's anything I can do to help you out with this just let me know.Def
Quote from: 50ft-trad on May 20, 2017, 12:22:41 PMQuote from: Kevin Davey on May 19, 2017, 10:16:45 PMThank you I'm guessing you're not a gerber fanI am actually. I think I might still have more Gerbers than Leatherman. Big fan of the MP400, MP600, Diesel and even the much maligned Dime.Quote from: mikekoz on May 20, 2017, 01:19:28 AM I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? 25 years in mechanical engineering, and a lot of experience with the Gerber MP700. I have a thread somewhere highlighting the wear that occurs on spring plier heads, showing photos of my own MP700s - one that is essentially unused, and another that wore out very quickly. You can see side by side shots of the effects of the wear. The play that develops means the cutters can clash and disintegrate if used right handed, and have a substantial air gap if used left handed. As for the investment cast parts, castings are strong under compression, not tension or torsion - although I must admit, I am still waiting for my first pics of the failed driver arm and pry tool.Ironically, I still like the MP700, but it wears out significantly faster than other toolsCould we have a link for that thread, please? The MP700 is an absolute favorite of mine, and my favorite "fits in the coin pocket" MT.(Image removed from quote.)I'd be so sad if it lost its "springyness" and it became worn out so quick.(Image removed from quote.)Such a nice tool, compact and with a complete toolset, it's not good news to hear that this issue affects the MP700/800 series!
Quote from: ThePeacent on May 20, 2017, 05:59:51 PMQuote from: 50ft-trad on May 20, 2017, 12:22:41 PMQuote from: Kevin Davey on May 19, 2017, 10:16:45 PMThank you I'm guessing you're not a gerber fanI am actually. I think I might still have more Gerbers than Leatherman. Big fan of the MP400, MP600, Diesel and even the much maligned Dime.Quote from: mikekoz on May 20, 2017, 01:19:28 AM I just got one one of these, and it appears very solid. What are you basing this on? 25 years in mechanical engineering, and a lot of experience with the Gerber MP700. I have a thread somewhere highlighting the wear that occurs on spring plier heads, showing photos of my own MP700s - one that is essentially unused, and another that wore out very quickly. You can see side by side shots of the effects of the wear. The play that develops means the cutters can clash and disintegrate if used right handed, and have a substantial air gap if used left handed. As for the investment cast parts, castings are strong under compression, not tension or torsion - although I must admit, I am still waiting for my first pics of the failed driver arm and pry tool.Ironically, I still like the MP700, but it wears out significantly faster than other toolsCould we have a link for that thread, please? The MP700 is an absolute favorite of mine, and my favorite "fits in the coin pocket" MT.(Image removed from quote.)I'd be so sad if it lost its "springyness" and it became worn out so quick.(Image removed from quote.)Such a nice tool, compact and with a complete toolset, it's not good news to hear that this issue affects the MP700/800 series! ThePeacent......How long have you had your MP700/800? How much have you used them? If they are holding up and are more than a few years old, yours do not have the problem! I only use my multi's for low abuse, everyday mundane things like opening boxes, cutting string, small wires, opening blister packs, etc, so I am not concerned about ANY of mine wearing out! I have a multitool in front of me that is over 20 years old, was a cheap no name brand Leatherman Supertool sized device, and was used pretty heavily shortly after I bought it, and it is still going strong! The only test for any of these tools is usage!
I met Kev Davey here today, and showed him the two tools I used in the comparison. At first he didn't spot the issue, but then I became quite apparent. Hopefully Kev can confirm what I was saying.The wear only occurs from real usage. If you only use then lightly and occasionally, the effect for you will be negligible. I used mine quite heavily, and the pivot had worn heavily within less than two years. To some people it won't be an issue - to others it will