If you're talking strictly knives then locks are probably not necessary; most anyone would tell you to treat a folder as a folder no matter what. On the multitool/SAK camp, many tools could also do without a lock (e.g. scissors, can/bottle opener, corkscrew) but I totally need locks on screwdrivers, awls and forward cutting saws.
Better to have and not need, then to need and not have.
Quote from: noth on August 25, 2009, 01:23:42 PMIf you're talking strictly knives then locks are probably not necessary; most anyone would tell you to treat a folder as a folder no matter what. On the multitool/SAK camp, many tools could also do without a lock (e.g. scissors, can/bottle opener, corkscrew) but I totally need locks on screwdrivers, awls and forward cutting saws.very good point mate, i agree that there are certian tools that just need to lock in order to function safely.
i only ask this as i have tried all of my daily edc tasks with a crkt lake laredo and my non-locking vix solo and my solo has never closed in use, even after using it to cut a plastic bucket to get under a sink to catch a leak.i suppose im trying to justify the uk laws in my own head.
My issue is not the locks, but the people using them. Gone are the days when a man taught his son how to use a slipjoint pocketknife, taught him what to do and what not to do, taught him HOW to use a knife safely. Well, maybe not gone, it seems to be getting there.I have seen countless examples of young men, and even teens, really leaning into a knife to cut something big, and when I question them, they say "So what? It's got a lock on it, doesn't it?" This complacency is what hurts us because there seems to be no awareness of the lock's limitations. It seems to run parallel with the rest of society, though. People have grown complacent in ALL aspects of life, totally depending on others to live their lives for them and more then that, EXPECTING other to do so. If they get hurt, it's someone else's fault. If they cause harm to someone, it's someone else's fault. If the knife closes on their hands, it wasn't that they were doing something wrong, it's that the lock was loose, or it was a Chinese piece of crap knife, or.....! We here at MT.O are a different breed. For the most part, we are all handy tinkerers who use our noggin a little more then the average man and can figure out how to use a tool the right way. Sure, we mess up on occassion, but from what I've read on here, 9 times out of 10, we blame our selves for the injury. However, most are not like that. THAT'S why i feel locking knives should NOT be given to youths. Let them learn, first and foremost, HOW to use a knife safely. Let them learn all the little things that make a huge difference. Never cut towards you, cut away. Never apply too much pressure in the wrong direction or the blade will close on you. Try not to thrust and stab too hard. Little things, you know? Only THEN should they be "rewarded" with a locking blade, if they even consider that a reward. Some, like myself, don't like locking knives. A slipjoint will do whatever I need it to. Once they have the basics mastered, it's up to them to choose what they want to carry.
Competence and intelligence are illusion.
People have grown complacent in ALL aspects of life, totally depending on others to live their lives for them and more then that, EXPECTING other to do so.
QuoteCompetence and intelligence are illusion......I am not high enough for that conversation.QuotePeople have grown complacent in ALL aspects of life, totally depending on others to live their lives for them and more then that, EXPECTING other to do so.on others...people?How many people do we have to work with here?See, this is why "isms" are great. Instead of trying to indeterminately say "people" and "people" we can say "those damn whitey crackers are getting lazy and making the blackfellas do all the work"or "if it weren't for women, the country wouldn't be in a financial crisis"You've got to blame specific groups! (above statements given as examples only, keep your shirts on and your anti-nomad sign waving wives at home, where they should be, cooking and getting you a beer)I know some prize winning imbeciles, and I guess it's those sorts of people that Laws are in place to protect (or to protect us from?)but some people can't be helped, and they can't be helped any better when they're 50 than they can be when they're 15.I'm not going to blame a religion, I'm not going to blame a gender, or even people between 4' 9" & 5' 6" (even if they are the cause of all wars), and I'm not going to blame parents, society, or youth.It's up to any person (and I know countries disagree on when a child becomes a real person, with personalities and rights and toilet training and whathaveyou) to learn for themselves, and that responsibility is on them.I might not be coherent, it's past 1am here Also I'm aware I'm slightly bitter, since I was never a boyscout, I never had a "coach", and I never passed anything at school. I am, for all intents and purposes, an ignorant, uneducated man - and yet, I take responsibility for my actions*, and I like to think I learn from them every day.*With the possible exception of abusing people on online forums, for which I use a nome de plume, and try to only pick on people too far away to do anything about it To return to the topic, I reiterate my statement that I do not think Locks are strictly necessary, but there's not too many reasons NOT to have them.You know it makes sense.
Cor blimey I like a lock, don't need a lock, can't really carry a lock. Moot point in the UK!My EDC is usually a SAK or non-locking MT along with a UKPK. I blame myself 100% whenever I have drawn my own blood.... just like I did last week on holiday with a very sharp axe I don't think kids should carry anything which locks at all - they need to learn not to be idiots with sharps.
Yes, kinda It's a very east London thing, which is where I was born.
I was talking to a female colleague today about how locking knives are regarded under UK law. She could not understand how a locker would be illegal since the lock was obviously there in order to make the knife safer to use. The female perspective here is pure logic
Competence and intelligence are illusion. They are taught. It's like common sense. It is taught. Who teaches it to us? it SHOULD be our parents. Parents came before us. Thus, nostalgia.
Others. What else could others mean in that particular sentence? I mean, it couldn't POSSIBLY be anything else. You can dig for further meaning, but others is self explanitory in that situation. I know it helps with a reply to tear a post apart, but this time..... not so much. If I had put people, you would have said "What people?" If I had put adults, whites, blacks, latinos, martians, etc, you would have questioned it.Simple sentence. Simple messege. Will not elaborate because it can't be simplified more then it is.
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