Spyderco UKPK v Urban

[Flash]

You can still be arrested though   but lets not go down that route again.

Yes, they are priced the same and I'd still go with the Urban.  The orange one looks pretty sweet.

If he is arrested he can charge the police £1100 per hour for false arrest.......

So he can't be arrested under the offensive weapons act (a hard one to prove I know) and they can't escort him to a police station to test the knife then?  How comes I have heard such stories then?    There must be some loaded BB members now.  

You have heard "stories".  In 11 years I have yet to hear of anyone under these circumstances to get arrested.

The blade is LEGAL, and as per the offensive weapons act the only thing they could possibly have on him is "Intended" to be used as a weapon.

Now if any cop worth their salt were to look at our venerable, aged, old, funny looking Dave they would probably help him to cross the road rather than arrest him for intended weapon carrying.

So....if he were to "intend" it to be used then theoretically Yes he could be....but realistically? No he wouldn't be.

Most cops I know would ask where he got it from and how much  

[Flash]

I think perception is almost as important as legality, especially where sharp's are concerned

If I'm cutting something at work with a sak at work, there's less likelihood of a parent putting in a complaint or calling the cop's than there would be if I was doing the self same thing with a UKPK

Yes there both legal, but one's going to raise eyebrows a lot bloody higher than the other, and i really can't be doing with that sort of bother tbh

Does 1/2" make THAT much difference 

[Flash]

You can still be arrested though   but lets not go down that route again.

Yes, they are priced the same and I'd still go with the Urban.  The orange one looks pretty sweet.

If he is arrested he can charge the police £1100 per hour for false arrest.......

So he can't be arrested under the offensive weapons act (a hard one to prove I know) and they can't escort him to a police station to test the knife then?  How comes I have heard such stories then?    There must be some loaded BB members now.  

You have heard "stories".  In 11 years I have yet to hear of anyone under these circumstances to get arrested.

The blade is LEGAL, and as per the offensive weapons act the only thing they could possibly have on him is "Intended" to be used as a weapon.

Now if any cop worth their salt were to look at our venerable, aged, old, funny looking Dave they would probably help him to cross the road rather than arrest him for intended weapon carrying.

So....if he were to "intend" it to be used then theoretically Yes he could be....but realistically? No he wouldn't be.

Most cops I know would ask where he got it from and how much  

....and in fairness this part of the legislation could theoretically be applied to ANY inanimate object......for example a BANANA 

[DaveK]

The day I'm worried about getting arrested for things that aren't illegal - it's time to emigrate!

I don't think that's where we are though.

Now if any cop worth their salt were to look at our venerable, aged, old, funny looking Dave they would probably help him to cross the road rather than arrest him for intended weapon carrying.

Cheeky git.  

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I think perception is almost as important as legality, especially where sharp's are concerned

If I'm cutting something at work with a sak at work, there's less likelihood of a parent putting in a complaint or calling the cop's than there would be if I was doing the self same thing with a UKPK

Yes there both legal, but one's going to raise eyebrows a lot bloody higher than the other, and i really can't be doing with that sort of bother tbh

Does 1/2" make THAT much difference 

But with the shorter blade, different scale colour and even a different profile if you want, The Urban does look less intimidating

[Flash]

I think perception is almost as important as legality, especially where sharp's are concerned

If I'm cutting something at work with a sak at work, there's less likelihood of a parent putting in a complaint or calling the cop's than there would be if I was doing the self same thing with a UKPK

Yes there both legal, but one's going to raise eyebrows a lot bloody higher than the other, and i really can't be doing with that sort of bother tbh

Does 1/2" make THAT much difference 

But with the shorter blade, different scale colour and even a different profile if you want, The Urban does look less intimidating

....in that case Dave get a SAK Pocket pal 

[Benner]

It's that word "theoretically" that I am on about.

All I am saying is that if you are going to blow over £100 (I know Dave actually isn't) on a knife that is specifically UK legal, why not get the one that is even more copper/sheeple friendly.  I am sure most police officers are great guys and would show interest, but sadly not all of them are as at the end of the day they are normal people just doing a job and that's why public perception plays it's part IMO.

But, saying all that,  Nick is right, Dave does look like an old git and I am sure if he kept it in his shopping trolley he'd have no grief at all.  

[Flash]

It's that word "theoretically" that I am on about.

All I am saying is that if you are going to blow over £100 (I know Dave actually isn't) on a knife that is specifically UK legal, why not get the one that is even more copper/sheeple friendly.  I am sure most police officers are great guys and would show interest, but sadly not all of them are as at the end of the day they are normal people just doing a job and that's why public perception plays it's part IMO.

But, saying all that,  Nick is right, Dave does look like an old git and I am sure if he kept it in his shopping trolley he'd have no grief at all.  

 

Perhaps the question that need to be asked is

"Which one is better for cleaning werthers originals from dentures?"

[Benner]

Mike, make the most of it mate.  The age jokes will soon be comming back to you. 

[DaveK]

All I am saying is that if you are going to blow over £100 (I know Dave actually isn't) on a knife that is specifically UK legal, why not get the one that is even more copper/sheeple friendly.  

Because it's a better blade? And, why should I, for the benefit of people you recognise are ill-informed?

But, saying all that,  Nick is right, Dave does look like an old git and I am sure if he kept it in his shopping trolley he'd have no grief at all.  

Look. There's so much I can take before I start shaking my walking stick at you

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Mike, make the most of it mate.  The age jokes will soon be comming back to you. 

I just can't kick an old codger when he's down

[DaveK]

Perhaps the question that need to be asked is

"Which one is better for cleaning werthers originals from dentures?"

And what, exactly, is wrong with Werther's Originals?  

[Flash]

Perhaps the question that need to be asked is

"Which one is better for cleaning werthers originals from dentures?"

And what, exactly, is wrong with Werther's Originals?  

Nothing....as long as you bring some to the next meet up 

[DaveK]

Deal. Although Mike and Ben might be scared to approach me for one if I'm carrying a UKPK

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Deal. Although Mike and Ben might be scared to approach me for one if I'm carrying a UKPK

I'll be the guy hiding behind a bit bloody Kukri remember

[Flash]

Deal. Although Mike and Ben might be scared to approach me for one if I'm carrying a UKPK

I'll be the guy hiding behind a bit bloody Kukri remember

Looks my my live blade katana will have to come out for a play then 

[DaveK]

Anyway - forget the scariness for a minute......

The UKPK blade is about 1/2" longer than the Urban's then yeah? What about the handle? I mean, is the knife smaller overall, as I'm thinking "the bigger the better"?

[Benner]

Actually I like those.  

So, 3 pages full of typical Brit talk.  Dave you actually any closer mate?    Any preferance on blade shape as you get options with the Urban?

[Flash]

Actually I like those.  

So, 3 pages full of typical Brit talk.  Dave you actually any closer mate?    Any preferance on blade shape as you get options with the Urban?

You get options with the UKPK

_{You just need a grinder is all}

[DaveK]

To be honest, I think I am closer.....

I'm thinking that one gives you more blade for your money (which I didn't realise at the beginning), so the UKPK is definitely ahead at the moment.

[Flash]

To be honest, I think I am closer.....

I'm thinking that one gives you more blade for your money (which I didn't realise at the beginning), so the UKPK is definitely ahead at the moment.

Good choice

Mike and Ben 0 - 1 Nick and Nuphoria 

[DaveK]

In fact - it will be exactly like this:

[Benner]

Not as widely available though, and you get wharnie is the Urban range.  Some prefer a flatter edge.

Dave, bigger is not always better.  Am I correct in thinking one of the best knives you own is a Minigrip?  Larger knives have their place, but generally I prefer smaller ones.

[Benner]

To be honest, I think I am closer.....

I'm thinking that one gives you more blade for your money (which I didn't realise at the beginning), so the UKPK is definitely ahead at the moment.

By that logic you should be going an ordering a Kukri  (you could get 3 for the cost of the UKPK BTW  ).

Bigger is not always better (as I said above).  It is a preferance thing and as you like your grip, you may prefer the smaller Urban.

[Flash]

One for Benner and Mike.....hey at least its a Spyderco 

[DaveK]

Not as widely available though, and you get wharnie is the Urban range.  Some prefer a flatter edge.

Dave, bigger is not always better.  Am I correct in thinking one of the best knives you own is a Minigrip?  Larger knives have their place, but generally I prefer smaller ones.

I love the mini-grip for it's quality, but my favourite knife at the moment is the Leatherman K500 (which is a load bigger).

I've also got the Ladybugs (which are great knives) and I want an option to them, so some bulk would be OK.

To be honest, I think I am closer.....

I'm thinking that one gives you more blade for your money (which I didn't realise at the beginning), so the UKPK is definitely ahead at the moment.

By that logic you should be going an ordering a Kukri   (you could get 3 for the cost of the UKPK BTW   ).

Bigger is not always better (as I said above).  It is a preference thing and as you like your grip, you may prefer the smaller Urban.

But of course, not legal like the UKPK, and not as useful either!

What I want is the biggest LEGAL knife, of a certain quality.

[GraysonK]

You all are funny!    

Dave,
Ben actually brought up what I was going to ask about...the blade shape.  Personally, I like the leaf shaped blade better.  And if I were choosing (and technically I am because I want one) I think I would probably go with the Urban.  It is a bit smaller than the UKPK, but I kind of like that.  But then again I'm partial to somewhat smaller knives.  It just seems  like it would feel better in the hand and handle just about anything.  From what I gathered from reading it seems just a bit bigger than the Dragonfly which is my fave Spyderco (well it's tied actually with my Saver Salt).  Just my 2 cents. But from a strictly size standpoint, if you are partial to the slightly bigger UKPK, I say get it.  I can't comment on the functions of the two, but I say if it's legal to carry and you want the bigger one and you will use it then get it.  

[Benner]

One for Benner and Mike.....hey at least its a Spyderco 

Ho ho ho.

Can I just point out that depending on where I am going I'll hapilly carry my lockers.  I'm not one of these paranoid legal types that won't even carry a can opener, but it seems logical to me that if you are going to the effort of spending pretty much twice as much as a comparable locking folder to make sure you stay legal, that you may as well get the one that looks more friendly as well.

[Flash]

You all are funny!    

Stay out of it you  .......this is Brits doing what we do best.......Ruining a perfectly good thread 

[Benner]

Not as widely available though, and you get wharnie is the Urban range.  Some prefer a flatter edge.

Dave, bigger is not always better.  Am I correct in thinking one of the best knives you own is a Minigrip?  Larger knives have their place, but generally I prefer smaller ones.

I love the mini-grip for it's quality, but my favourite knife at the moment is the Leatherman K500 (which is a load bigger).

I've also got the Ladybugs (which are great knives) and I want an option to them, so some bulk would be OK.

To be honest, I think I am closer.....

I'm thinking that one gives you more blade for your money (which I didn't realise at the beginning), so the UKPK is definitely ahead at the moment.

By that logic you should be going an ordering a Kukri   (you could get 3 for the cost of the UKPK BTW   ).

Bigger is not always better (as I said above).  It is a preference thing and as you like your grip, you may prefer the smaller Urban.

But of course, not legal like the UKPK, and not as useful either!

What I want is the biggest LEGAL knife, of a certain quality.

That was a joke BTW    But you could still get 3 hand made kukris for the price of one of those.  That isn't a joke.