Any love for Wenger?

[North Man]

Is any body knows these knives

Forester with pliers instead of wood saw?
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Monarch with lock blade ?
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About the first knife - not sure on the number or any name, anyhow it is the typical Wenger variation on the corkscrew/ phillips and the small blade/nailfile on the knives made and the combination of them. Some may be special orders, but i believe it is a Wenger mechanism on variations.

It is a Company philosophy on products that they used and use. You probably know this, a part we collectors like. Thank you for posting it! It may happen that one will find a private mod, but this is for me another confirmation on Wenger philosophy. We need to find a name

[basilio]

OK, I just realized that all the above pictures are from current ebay auctions 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wenger-Unknown-rare-model-Swiss-Army-Knife-similar-Forester-w-pliers-no-saw-/200985727350
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wenger-Swiss-Army-knife-Monarch-model-red-7-layer-/301014560393
As for the locking Monarch (or cellidor Lancelot, if you prefer) there is an additional one I saw (USA only)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-3-Swiss-Knives-Victorinox-and-Wenger-/131042036379
Since there was the box, I already asked the seller about a model name or number written on it, but he just answered me saying that there is no name/number written (brobably because the box is missing the top cover)

[jcfiguet]

OK, I just realized that all the above pictures are from current ebay auctions 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wenger-Unknown-rare-model-Swiss-Army-Knife-similar-Forester-w-pliers-no-saw-/200985727350
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wenger-Swiss-Army-knife-Monarch-model-red-7-layer-/301014560393
As for the locking Monarch (or cellidor Lancelot, if you prefer) there is an additional one I saw (USA only)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-3-Swiss-Knives-Victorinox-and-Wenger-/131042036379
Since there was the box, I already asked the seller about a model name or number written on it, but he just answered me saying that there is no name/number written (brobably because the box is missing the top cover)

About the first knife - not sure on the number or any name, anyhow it is the typical Wenger variation on the corkscrew/ phillips and the small blade/nailfile on the knives made and the combination of them. Some may be special orders, but i believe it is a Wenger mechanism on variations.

It is a Company philosophy on products that they used and use. You probably know this, a part we collectors like. Thank you for posting it! It may happen that one will find a private mod, but this is for me another confirmation on Wenger philosophy. We need to find a name

Thanks basilio and North Man !

Yes these photos are from current ebay auctions, I sent messages to sellers but they have no more information about name or number...

Yes it's the "Wenger philosophy" and we need to find name for these knives and to add them on http://www.sakwiki.com !

[basilio]

Found it!
The first knife is a Classic 50
First reference is from a 2006 european catalog (first attachment)
catalog 1.50.09
Second reference is from a 2008 european catalog (second picture)
catalog 1.050.009.000
Probably discontinued in 2008, as I saw no reference on the 2009 european catalog

About the first knife - not sure on the number or any name, anyhow it is the typical Wenger variation on the corkscrew/ phillips and the small blade/nailfile on the knives made and the combination of them. Some may be special orders, but i believe it is a Wenger mechanism on variations.

I thought the same and it is actually very correct, as the Tradesman (small blade+phillips) was later called Classic 51

[North Man]

Excellent work!

[jcfiguet]

Not sure i have showed this before, from the left is the hot stamped emblem with silver color. This like i did mention could have been used even before 1980, perhaps you could tell me?. Anyhow one can find the hot stamped during the 90s also. Wenger did mention they went over to pad printing in the 80s, most likely late 80s. We have the same here with the variations and interim knives. During around 1988 Wenger went over to the longer can opener, and also from this date we see the W on the backside of the tang.

With advertising knives it depends on the buyer, what he wants, normal or Budget, i have found variations.

I have no information about Wenger knives with hot stamped emblem nor serigraphy emblem, because I don't collect them. I only collect knives with hot stamped icons in the scales (like Backpaker) or inlayd icons or advertising (like LL Bean or Eddie Bauer), but always with aluminium emblem, plastic emblem, or more olders emblem (maillechort, celluloïd, etc) on olders scales.

[jcfiguet]

Found it!
The first knife is a Classic 50
First reference is from a 2006 european catalog (first attachment)
catalog 1.50.09
Second reference is from a 2008 european catalog (second picture)
catalog 1.050.009.000
Probably discontinued in 2008, as I saw no reference on the 2009 european catalog

About the first knife - not sure on the number or any name, anyhow it is the typical Wenger variation on the corkscrew/ phillips and the small blade/nailfile on the knives made and the combination of them. Some may be special orders, but i believe it is a Wenger mechanism on variations.

I thought the same and it is actually very correct, as the Tradesman (small blade+phillips) was later called Classic 51

Wonderfull ! Thanks a lot !
This model is not referenced yet on http://www.sakwiki.com...

[enki_ck]

Found it!
The first knife is a Classic 50
First reference is from a 2006 european catalog (first attachment)
catalog 1.50.09
Second reference is from a 2008 european catalog (second picture)
catalog 1.050.009.000
Probably discontinued in 2008, as I saw no reference on the 2009 european catalog

About the first knife - not sure on the number or any name, anyhow it is the typical Wenger variation on the corkscrew/ phillips and the small blade/nailfile on the knives made and the combination of them. Some may be special orders, but i believe it is a Wenger mechanism on variations.

I thought the same and it is actually very correct, as the Tradesman (small blade+phillips) was later called Classic 51

Wonderfull ! Thanks a lot !
This model is not referenced yet on http://www.sakwiki.com...

There are a few SAKs that are missing there but we are trying to fill in the gaps as we kind info on the missing ones. A number of pages were created based on the information gathered in this thread. I am working together with a few members who send me info to be added to the wiki and if you see something that's missing, post it here and we will add it. With help of Coloswiss I've added the whole line of Wenger Juniors this summer and a few other SAKs and basilio also helps a lot in updating the wiki with information posted here so you can forward it to him too. I think it would be better if Carlo created this page as he did all the information gathering but I'll help out if needed.

P.S.

We've been discussing a project of turning the SAKwiki into a multilingual wiki, with translations of the pages into other languages to make it easier for people that are not so versed in English. Maybe French, Italian, German, Spanish for starters, but other languages could be added later. That would be a very big project though as the wiki is several hundred pages big, so best we start it after the wiki images have been collected. Of course if we find enough people interested in the project. Any thoughts?

[jcfiguet]

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P.S.

We've been discussing a project of turning the SAKwiki into a multilingual wiki, with translations of the pages into other languages to make it easier for people that are not so versed in English. Maybe French, Italian, German, Spanish for starters, but other languages could be added later. That would be a very big project though as the wiki is several hundred pages big, so best we start it after the wiki images have been collected. Of course if we find enough people interested in the project. Any thoughts?

It will be great, but for french people we have no problem of translation with "google translation".
So I think it  would be a big job for little use. I can't speak for other languages.

[bmot]

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P.S.

We've been discussing a project of turning the SAKwiki into a multilingual wiki, with translations of the pages into other languages to make it easier for people that are not so versed in English. Maybe French, Italian, German, Spanish for starters, but other languages could be added later. That would be a very big project though as the wiki is several hundred pages big, so best we start it after the wiki images have been collected. Of course if we find enough people interested in the project. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't mind helping translating to Dutch, though I can't promise quickness 

Not sure if it would be -that- useful for Dutch, though, as a -lot- of people here speak English, too...

[basilio]

I think it would be better if Carlo created this page as he did all the information gathering but I'll help out if needed.

Sure, I was already planning to do so.
Will do that later.
P.S. Yesterday evening, looking in my collection, I realized I already have the locking Monarch.
Completely forgot about it! 
Will post few pictures.
Edit: added pictures

[North Man]

received today, Scout S18. It is beautiful!

[North Man]

Phillips

[ColoSwiss]

I think it would be better if Carlo created this page as he did all the information gathering but I'll help out if needed.

Sure, I was already planning to do so.
Will do that later.
P.S. Yesterday evening, looking in my collection, I realized I already have the locking Monarch.
Completely forgot about it! 
Will post few pictures.
Edit: added pictures

Carlo,

If you would like a personal rather than catalog photo of the Classic 50 for the wiki, let me know. I'll see if I can find my copy.

Karl

[basilio]

I think it would be better if Carlo created this page as he did all the information gathering but I'll help out if needed.

Sure, I was already planning to do so.
Will do that later.
P.S. Yesterday evening, looking in my collection, I realized I already have the locking Monarch.
Completely forgot about it! 
Will post few pictures.
Edit: added pictures

Carlo,

If you would like a personal rather than catalog photo of the Classic 50 for the wiki, let me know. I'll see if I can find my copy.

Karl

Karl,
yes that would be great!
I'm almost done with the classic series, but please take a look and let me know if you find any errors.

[ColoSwiss]

I think it would be better if Carlo created this page as he did all the information gathering but I'll help out if needed.

Sure, I was already planning to do so.
Will do that later.
P.S. Yesterday evening, looking in my collection, I realized I already have the locking Monarch.
Completely forgot about it! 
Will post few pictures.
Edit: added pictures

Carlo,

If you would like a personal rather than catalog photo of the Classic 50 for the wiki, let me know. I'll see if I can find my copy.

Karl

Karl,
yes that would be great!
I'm almost done with the classic series, but please take a look and let me know if you find any errors.

Carlo,

Started going through my notes page by page, and there's an overwhelming amount of info to be added.

To start with:

Classic 66 has a version, Basic 66 without toothpick & tweezers., no. 1.66.41

Also didn't see a listing for the toilet paper knife, a five-blade Wenger with a special key for opening toilet paper dispensers. 400-500 done for a European company called Hygolet.  (Don't have one)

Karl

[basilio]

Carlo,

Started going through my notes page by page, and there's an overwhelming amount of info to be added.

To start with:

Classic 66 has a version, Basic 66 without toothpick & tweezers., no. 1.66.41

Also didn't see a listing for the toilet paper knife, a five-blade Wenger with a special key for opening toilet paper dispensers. 400-500 done for a European company called Hygolet.  (Don't have one)

Karl

Hi Karl,
thanks for the informations.
I'm now focusing on the Classic series, and still need to check/edit from the Classic 62 to Classic 141.
My next step would be to improve the "Basic series" section (and I agree that there are few models missing, like the Basic 66), then to create the "Security/Sécurité" one.

[ColoSwiss]

Carlo,

Here's a shot of the Wenger Classic 50.

I was thinking of taking my Wenger 85mm notebook, which is ordered by blade number, and starting on the first page. However if that's likely to prove confusing to you and Nikola when you're working on Classics, I'll try and help you out on those.

Karl

[ColoSwiss]

Some info:

Classic 101 is an early or European version of the Viking. #1.10.19


Classic 11 - need to link Trailblazer as well as Highlander. Trailblazer (# 1693102) has T&T; Highlander lacks both T&T.

[ColoSwiss]

Here's where stuff gets messy.

According to my info the Classic 141 (#1.14.19) is the non-locking version of the Teton, which is the locking version. This refers to the corkscrew models.

In addition to the Serrated Teton, I have catalog info for a non-serrated non-locking version referred to simply as Teton (#16984). The photo shows a phillips model. However the number is the same as the locking corkscrew model. Don't know if its an error, or an earlier version or what.

[ColoSwiss]

Classic 30 was also sold as North Cape and Cap Nord.

Classic 13 was also sold as Mountain.

[ColoSwiss]

Already sent this to Nikola and Carlo, but a fair amount of work so I'll also post it here. 

The Wenger SwissMemory series is a set of knives that feature pictures of Swiss scenery. The original group consisted of two lots, three Esquires and three Commanders, each with a shot of a distinct location. The second group consisted of another three Commanders, with the scenes each being a composite photo of four Swiss locations.

Esquire SwissMemory (photo 1)

SwissMemory 950   Bernese Oberland       1.95.00.950
SwissMemory 951   Matterhorn                1.95.00.951
SwissMemory 952   Thunersee                 1.95.00.952 (not shown)

Commander SwissMemory (group 1)(photo 2)

SwissMemory 900   Lake Geneva/Lac Leman          1.94.00.900
SwissMemory 901   Furclasee                              1.94.00901
SwissMemory 902   Santis                                   1.94.00.902

Commander SwissMemory (group 2)(photo 3)

SwissMemory 903   composite of Chillon castle, Geneva fountain, Matterhorn, Luzern bridge                 1.94.00.903

SwissMemory 904   composite of Chillon castle, Matterhorn, Geneva fountain, Bern clock tower  1.94.00.904

SwissMemory 905   composite of Rhine falls, Luzern bridge, alpine meadow, lake steamer            1.94.00.905

[basilio]

Thanks for all the informations Karl.
At the moment I'm busy with the Classic line.
Will update these last knives later.
There is a picture of the missing Esquire 952 in the 1995 catalog, so we could use it.
Could you post a picture of the back side of the knives?
I always wondered how they were printed on the back.

[basilio]

Classic 30 was also sold as North Cape and Cap Nord.

Classic 13 was also sold as Mountain.

Are these official names? 
As far as I know, the Classic 30 was first listed under the North Cape (Cap Nord) series, with the catalog number 1.30.03, but I'm not aware of an official name apart from that one.
There are actually two different Classic 13 I found.
I listed them both on the wiki.
The model you are probably referring to is the 1.12.23, which was later called Classic 13 (in 2006) and again later it changed name to Classic 132.
The model 1.23.23 was listed under the Montagne series in the 1995 catalog, but I'm not aware of a Montagne/Mountain name for it.
If you look at the italian borchure I posted on the wiki
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=70&sort_mode=name_asc&imageId=2900&scalesize=o
and this
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=70&sort_mode=name_asc&imageId=2899&scalesize=o
you can actually see that both knives were called with the names North Cape (used for three different knives) and Mountain.
However, I don't consider these official names, as they were given by the local distributor (like the Major or Oberst found in the brochure that North Man posted).
So, I'm not sure if it would be correct to use these names.
What do you think?

[ColoSwiss]

On the SwissMemory knives the first group have a plain pale blue back; the second group have a plain dark blue back.

Info I have is:

Two Classic 13s:

Classic 13 (1) - 1 13 03 is the Backpacker (with nail file) Suggest we stay with Backpacker.

Classic 13 (2) - 1 13 29 (with flat phillips) Have two separate listings as Mountain. However from your info that appears to be a series name. Suggest list as Classic 13, with note that Mountain is a series name that is sometimes applied to it.

1.12.23 is the Classic 12 or Pathfinder. I also have it listed as Mountain and Montagne, and North Cape Basic. As with the Classic 13 (2) suggest a note that those are series name.

[basilio]

On the SwissMemory knives the first group have a plain pale blue back; the second group have a plain dark blue back.

Info I have is:

Two Classic 13s:

Classic 13 (1) - 1 13 03 is the Backpacker (with nail file) Suggest we stay with Backpacker.

Classic 13 (2) - 1 13 29 (with flat phillips) Have two separate listings as Mountain. However from your info that appears to be a series name. Suggest list as Classic 13, with note that Mountain is a series name that is sometimes applied to it.

1.12.23 is the Classic 12 or Pathfinder. I also have it listed as Mountain and Montagne, and North Cape Basic. As with the Classic 13 (2) suggest a note that those are series name.

Karl,
thanks, it seems we have almost the same informations, so the wiki should be quite correct.
I think I made a mistake with the Classic 11 and that I linked it to the wrong knife.
Will try to correct this, as long as implement your suggestions.
Do you have any other Classic to add to the wiki?
I need to make few edits, but the list seems pretty much complete to me.

[ColoSwiss]

Carlo,

Think Classic 11 needs to be linked to both Trailblazer and Highlander if possible. Also need to cross-reference the two as they're basically the same knife, plus or minus toothpick and tweezers.

Went through my notes looking for more Classics and didn't find any. Which means I'll probably find several that I missed next week. Doing the best we can. As always I appreciate the work you and Nikola are doing. 

[basilio]

Karl,
sorry to ask again, but need your help here, as I'm more "specialized" on european models.
At the moment, the Highlander wiki page
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Highlander
mentions a variation with toothpic and tweezers.
It also mentions the Dayhiker, which has a locking bade.??
So I listed there the old model 1.11.13 and the Classic 11.
If I understand correctly there were no variations of the Highlander with T&T.
Is this correct?
If so, not only the the old 1.11.13 and the Classic 11 must be mentioned only in the Trailblazer page,
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trailblazer
but I should also edit the Highlander page, removing all reference of models with T&T.
And what about the Dayhiker?
Is it a variation of the Highlander or, since it has T&T, of the Trailblazer?

[ColoSwiss]

I'm thinking maybe we need to eliminate either the Highlander or Trailblazer page, and group everything under the same heading. Could make the Highlander a version of the Trailblazer, the same way we've made other 'basic' (no t&t) knives versions of their respective knives. Or go with Highlander as the main page since there are more numbered variations. Opinions?

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Trailblazer/Classic 11 - (red) 16931/1.11.03/1.011.009.000 (with T&T)
Trailblazer (black) - 1693102

Highlander (red) - 16979 (no T&T)
Highlander Fire Red (translucent) - 16150
Highlander Everglade Green - 16151
Highlander Smoke Grey - 16152
Highlander Glacier Blue - 16153
Highlander Mandarin Orange - 16154
Highlander Advantage Timber (camo) - 16170
Highlander Realtrees Hardwood (camo) - 16172

Serrated Highlander (red) - 16479

Day Hiker (Eddie Bauer)(red)- with lock (with T&T) - ?
Oak Day Hiker (Eddie Bauer)(oak handles) - with lock (no T&T) - ?
World Scout (same as Day Hiker)(red)(with lock and T&T) - 1.11.91.100

Related knives - EVO 11, EVO S11, EVOGrip 11, Scout Junior S11 (purple)

[basilio]

Does anybody have an idea about a 75mm Wenger with the same configuration as the "Crusader"?
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Crusader
Just found it in a shop and I could not find any reference.
Will post pictures tomorrow.