Any love for Wenger?

[ICanFixThat]

Wenger United Woods

[ColoSwiss]

Some lovely knives show folks i jump in with my lastest Wenger, - EvoWood 10 with the Association and Alltid Beredt (be prepared) on it. This is a Norwegian scout knife, laser engraved here. It is beautiful.

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Great looking knife. 

[enki_ck]

FCS is offering a very nice Bye Bye Wenger limited edition: http://www.fans-du-coutea...-le-couteau-du-forum-2013
Looks great!

Nice!  I'd like one of those.   

And it's the last limited and numbered serie of Wenger !

You chose wisely. Great color and a very good model to represent the Wenger SAKs. One of my favorites too.

[ColoSwiss]

Carlo,

The only info I have for the Basic 5 and 11 is what is currently in the wiki. My notebook data agrees with yours that the Basic 63 is the Classic 63/Entree, and the Basic 9 is the Forester. Also that the Basic 62 is the Classic 62/Picnic (missed that earlier). So it looks like our info's in agreement. Unless someone else comes up with other info I'd say drop the 5 & 11 and go with what we have.

Looking good! 

Karl

Yes, agree.
Will wait few days, than I'll edit the wiki entries for the 5 and 11 and hopefully add the missing ones.

I would not be in a big hurry to edit the Wiki for Basic 5 and Basic 11, the marketing name Basic and Classic are like almost the same just Wenger's transition from the Standard name.  The numbering sceme transitioned too.  If you really feel they are wrong, I'd put an 'Under Review' or something next to the names in the 85mm list.  Something these things take a while to shake out and we've been pretty careful before listing new names.

The info on the Basic 5 and 11 came from somewhere, but neither Carlo nor I can document it. Do you have any more info on them? In the meantime keeping them along with a note about their uncertain status is probably the way to go.

Can anyone else help?

[enki_ck]

Carlo,

The only info I have for the Basic 5 and 11 is what is currently in the wiki. My notebook data agrees with yours that the Basic 63 is the Classic 63/Entree, and the Basic 9 is the Forester. Also that the Basic 62 is the Classic 62/Picnic (missed that earlier). So it looks like our info's in agreement. Unless someone else comes up with other info I'd say drop the 5 & 11 and go with what we have.

Looking good! 

Karl

Yes, agree.
Will wait few days, than I'll edit the wiki entries for the 5 and 11 and hopefully add the missing ones.

I would not be in a big hurry to edit the Wiki for Basic 5 and Basic 11, the marketing name Basic and Classic are like almost the same just Wenger's transition from the Standard name.  The numbering sceme transitioned too.  If you really feel they are wrong, I'd put an 'Under Review' or something next to the names in the 85mm list.  Something these things take a while to shake out and we've been pretty careful before listing new names.

The info on the Basic 5 and 11 came from somewhere, but neither Carlo nor I can document it. Do you have any more info on them?

Can anyone else help?

My guess is from the misinterpretation of the German listings.

You can find it listed on Smartknives as Basic 5 and for instance this Australian site list is as such too. Most German sites I find don't actually name the SAKs with their actual model name but rather count its functions so somewhere along the way this: "Wenger Basic 5 teilig Schweizer Messer" (Wenger Basic 5 piece/tool Swiss knife = blade/combo/corkscrew/toothpick/tweezers) got named Wenger Basic 5 on other sites.

[jcfiguet]

FCS is offering a very nice Bye Bye Wenger limited edition: http://www.fans-du-coutea...-le-couteau-du-forum-2013
Looks great!

Nice!  I'd like one of those.   

And it's the last limited and numbered serie of Wenger !

You chose wisely. Great color and a very good model to represent the Wenger SAKs. One of my favorites too.

Thanks !

[tosh]

FCS is offering a very nice Bye Bye Wenger limited edition: http://www.fans-du-coutea...-le-couteau-du-forum-2013
Looks great!

Nice!  I'd like one of those.   

And it's the last limited and numbered serie of Wenger !

You chose wisely. Great color and a very good model to represent the Wenger SAKs. One of my favorites too.

Thanks !

I would dearly love to get one of these.
Can anyone help me?

[ColoSwiss]

PHEASANTS:

There are two Wengers with pheasants on the handle. The first (shown) is a three-blade version with packlock. It's number is 16987. The same knife was sold as the Cumberland (16981) with a hiker on the handle. The Cumberland is part of a Backpacker series, and has that name on the main blade. Don't know of a plain handle version

The second Pheasant (no photo) is a larger eight-blade version (16954). It's blades included: Main blade, small clip blade, saw, scissors, can opener, bottle opener/screw driver; and on the back phillips s.d. and awl. See page 4 of the 1979 Wenger catalog in the wiki. It's plain handled version is 1 18 13.

[ICanFixThat]

Carlo,

The only info I have for the Basic 5 and 11 is what is currently in the wiki. My notebook data agrees with yours that the Basic 63 is the Classic 63/Entree, and the Basic 9 is the Forester. Also that the Basic 62 is the Classic 62/Picnic (missed that earlier). So it looks like our info's in agreement. Unless someone else comes up with other info I'd say drop the 5 & 11 and go with what we have.

Looking good! 

Karl

Yes, agree.
Will wait few days, than I'll edit the wiki entries for the 5 and 11 and hopefully add the missing ones.

I would not be in a big hurry to edit the Wiki for Basic 5 and Basic 11, the marketing name Basic and Classic are like almost the same just Wenger's transition from the Standard name.  The numbering sceme transitioned too.  If you really feel they are wrong, I'd put an 'Under Review' or something next to the names in the 85mm list.  Something these things take a while to shake out and we've been pretty careful before listing new names.

The info on the Basic 5 and 11 came from somewhere, but neither Carlo nor I can document it. Do you have any more info on them?

Can anyone else help?

My guess is from the misinterpretation of the German listings.

You can find it listed on Smartknives as Basic 5 and for instance this Australian site list is as such too. Most German sites I find don't actually name the SAKs with their actual model name but rather count its functions so somewhere along the way this: "Wenger Basic 5 teilig Schweizer Messer" (Wenger Basic 5 piece/tool Swiss knife = blade/combo/corkscrew/toothpick/tweezers) got named Wenger Basic 5 on other sites.

I can't say where they came from right now, only that they likely came from a good source.  However even catalogs and catalog images can be wrong, and things get mixed up at different vendors all the time so I'm not saying they are correct.

I will note though that in Europe the names like "Classic 63" can represent more than one model, so it's possible (or even likely) the same is true for the Basic series.  As an example 1.63.49 and 1.63.41 have been listed as "Classic 63".  This may not be a great example, since the only difference is the inclusion, or not, of the Toothpick and Tweezers, but it demonstrates the short comings of this naming convention, and similarily Basic, and even Evo.  It seems like the "Basic" naming convention was used only for a very short time or in regions where it had a better translation.

So I'm just saying better to play it safe, as we all know the naming of SAKs has been anything but precise.  I'll keep an eye open for references to the Basic Series.

[ColoSwiss]

DUCKS

The are two Wengers with ducks on the handle. The first is a seven-blade version with packlock (16991). Basically it's a version of the locking Teton (16984) with a different handle.

The second is a large eleven-blade model (16957)(page 4 of the Wenger 1979 catalog). Don't know of a plain-handled version. It's tools include:  main blade, nail file, top-side phillips, wrench, scissors, saw, magnifying glass, can opener, bottle opener/screwdriver; and the back  corkscrew and awl.

[ColoSwiss]

Carlo,

The only info I have for the Basic 5 and 11 is what is currently in the wiki. My notebook data agrees with yours that the Basic 63 is the Classic 63/Entree, and the Basic 9 is the Forester. Also that the Basic 62 is the Classic 62/Picnic (missed that earlier). So it looks like our info's in agreement. Unless someone else comes up with other info I'd say drop the 5 & 11 and go with what we have.

Looking good! 

Karl

Yes, agree.
Will wait few days, than I'll edit the wiki entries for the 5 and 11 and hopefully add the missing ones.

I would not be in a big hurry to edit the Wiki for Basic 5 and Basic 11, the marketing name Basic and Classic are like almost the same just Wenger's transition from the Standard name.  The numbering sceme transitioned too.  If you really feel they are wrong, I'd put an 'Under Review' or something next to the names in the 85mm list.  Something these things take a while to shake out and we've been pretty careful before listing new names.

The info on the Basic 5 and 11 came from somewhere, but neither Carlo nor I can document it. Do you have any more info on them?

Can anyone else help?

My guess is from the misinterpretation of the German listings.

You can find it listed on Smartknives as Basic 5 and for instance this Australian site list is as such too. Most German sites I find don't actually name the SAKs with their actual model name but rather count its functions so somewhere along the way this: "Wenger Basic 5 teilig Schweizer Messer" (Wenger Basic 5 piece/tool Swiss knife = blade/combo/corkscrew/toothpick/tweezers) got named Wenger Basic 5 on other sites.

I can't say where they came from right now, only that they likely came from a good source.  However even catalogs and catalog images can be wrong, and things get mixed up at different vendors all the time so I'm not saying they are correct.

I will note though that in Europe the names like "Classic 63" can represent more than one model, so it's possible (or even likely) the same is true for the Basic series.  As an example 1.63.49 and 1.63.41 have been listed as "Classic 63".  This may not be a great example, since the only difference is the inclusion, or not, of the Toothpick and Tweezers, but it demonstrates the short comings of this naming convention, and similarily Basic, and even Evo.  It seems like the "Basic" naming convention was used only for a very short time or in regions where it had a better translation.

So I'm just saying better to play it safe, as we all know the naming of SAKs has been anything but precise.  I'll keep an eye open for references to the Basic Series.

Which is why my hair is grey and thinning. 

[CanadianLMfan]

Wenger Esquire is on sale at Sail Canada now. If you are close to one, get it now!

https://www.sail.ca/en/catalogue/orientation/multi-tools/8138/esquire-brushed-stainless/

[ColoSwiss]

EAGLE

The Wenger 1979 catalog also list an Eagle (16951), basically a Viking/Classic 101 with an eagle on the handle. I don't have one; does anyone here have a decent photo?

[basilio]

I will note though that in Europe the names like "Classic 63" can represent more than one model, so it's possible (or even likely) the same is true for the Basic series.  As an example 1.63.49 and 1.63.41 have been listed as "Classic 63".  This may not be a great example, since the only difference is the inclusion, or not, of the Toothpick and Tweezers, but it demonstrates the short comings of this naming convention, and similarily Basic, and even Evo.  It seems like the "Basic" naming convention was used only for a very short time or in regions where it had a better translation.

So I'm just saying better to play it safe, as we all know the naming of SAKs has been anything but precise.  I'll keep an eye open for references to the Basic Series.

Francis,
let me check tomorrow morning why the Entree page has these two identifiers:
1.63.41 Wenger AN: standard configuration
1.063.049.000 Wenger AN: standard configuration (Classic 63)
as I have all my catalogs at work.
It could be very possibly because of an error, and I apologize in advance if it was the case.
However, it took me almost two weeks for just for editing the classic menu, because I was cross-checking data and catalog numbers using 5 european catalogs and 2 North American ones.
So the edits were made only after some serious research and I totally agree that a "slow" approach is the way to go!

[jcfiguet]

FCS is offering a very nice Bye Bye Wenger limited edition: http://www.fans-du-coutea...-le-couteau-du-forum-2013
Looks great!

Nice!  I'd like one of those.   

And it's the last limited and numbered serie of Wenger !

You chose wisely. Great color and a very good model to represent the Wenger SAKs. One of my favorites too.

Thanks !

I would dearly love to get one of these.
Can anyone help me?

Go again on the previous FCS link and read carefully... All is explained in English and in French !

[ColoSwiss]

I will note though that in Europe the names like "Classic 63" can represent more than one model, so it's possible (or even likely) the same is true for the Basic series.  As an example 1.63.49 and 1.63.41 have been listed as "Classic 63".  This may not be a great example, since the only difference is the inclusion, or not, of the Toothpick and Tweezers, but it demonstrates the short comings of this naming convention, and similarily Basic, and even Evo.  It seems like the "Basic" naming convention was used only for a very short time or in regions where it had a better translation.

So I'm just saying better to play it safe, as we all know the naming of SAKs has been anything but precise.  I'll keep an eye open for references to the Basic Series.

Francis,
let me check tomorrow morning why the Entree page has these two identifiers:
1.63.41 Wenger AN: standard configuration
1.063.049.000 Wenger AN: standard configuration (Classic 63)
as I have all my catalogs at work.
It could be very possibly because of an error, and I apologize in advance if it was the case.
However, it took me almost two weeks for just for editing the classic menu, because I was cross-checking data and catalog numbers using 5 european catalogs and 2 North American ones.
So the edits were made only after some serious research and I totally agree that a "slow" approach is the way to go!

The info I have is:

Basic 63 (no t&t) - 1.63.41
Classic 63 (with t&t) - 1.063.049.000

Obviously from two different eras, but essentially the same.

[ICanFixThat]

I will note though that in Europe the names like "Classic 63" can represent more than one model, so it's possible (or even likely) the same is true for the Basic series.  As an example 1.63.49 and 1.63.41 have been listed as "Classic 63".  This may not be a great example, since the only difference is the inclusion, or not, of the Toothpick and Tweezers, but it demonstrates the short comings of this naming convention, and similarily Basic, and even Evo.  It seems like the "Basic" naming convention was used only for a very short time or in regions where it had a better translation.

So I'm just saying better to play it safe, as we all know the naming of SAKs has been anything but precise.  I'll keep an eye open for references to the Basic Series.

Francis,
let me check tomorrow morning why the Entree page has these two identifiers:
1.63.41 Wenger AN: standard configuration
1.063.049.000 Wenger AN: standard configuration (Classic 63)
as I have all my catalogs at work.
It could be very possibly because of an error, and I apologize in advance if it was the case.
However, it took me almost two weeks for just for editing the classic menu, because I was cross-checking data and catalog numbers using 5 european catalogs and 2 North American ones.
So the edits were made only after some serious research and I totally agree that a "slow" approach is the way to go!

I know; I trust your research, but I just want to be careful as you well know new information appears all the time and we have to make corrections.

Classic 63 was just one example, don't worry too much about the examples I gave for that one because this is just part of the basic naming of that series, there is nothing really special about the Classic 63 example.  I could have used Classic 62, Classic 66 or others in my example.  I was just showing the nature of these naming conventions that use a name and number in that they are not precise.  The same is true for the Evo system today especially between S versions and non-S version that retain the same number but may change tools as well as having the lock or not.

I think someone had a bad idea to call the traditional knives the Basic Series, but before it got too far someone put a stop to it and they started using the Classic naming.  Or it was a particular region did have a good translation and somehow we ended up with Basic for a while before it was caught.  However since Wenger has changed numbering at some times that may account for some of the number changes as well for the same model.

Update: Just to be clear I do agree that Basic 5 and Basic 11 seem to be incorrect, but I'm wondering why that is; either there was a change in some Wenger numbering, something like Enki suggests and there was a more basic translation issue between some region sites, or just simply someplace had it wrong. 

[ICanFixThat]

FCS is offering a very nice Bye Bye Wenger limited edition: http://www.fans-du-coutea...-le-couteau-du-forum-2013
Looks great!

Nice!  I'd like one of those.   

And it's the last limited and numbered serie of Wenger !

You chose wisely. Great color and a very good model to represent the Wenger SAKs. One of my favorites too.

Thanks !

It seems the inscription would have been better as "Adieu Wenger" or "Au revoir Wenger".

[jcfiguet]

FCS is offering a very nice Bye Bye Wenger limited edition: http://www.fans-du-coutea...-le-couteau-du-forum-2013
Looks great!

Nice!  I'd like one of those.   

And it's the last limited and numbered serie of Wenger !

You chose wisely. Great color and a very good model to represent the Wenger SAKs. One of my favorites too.

Thanks !

It seems the inscription would have been better as "Adieu Wenger" or "Au revoir Wenger".

"Bye Bye Wenger" is more friendly, less sad than "Adieu" or "Au revoir", it's as if talking to a friend and it's international, everyone can understand...

[basilio]

Very nice knife jcfiguet!

[jcfiguet]

Very nice knife jcfiguet!

It's just a drawing of the Wenger Factory!

I hope on a photo it will be more beautiful !

[basilio]

I will note though that in Europe the names like "Classic 63" can represent more than one model, so it's possible (or even likely) the same is true for the Basic series.  As an example 1.63.49 and 1.63.41 have been listed as "Classic 63".  This may not be a great example, since the only difference is the inclusion, or not, of the Toothpick and Tweezers, but it demonstrates the short comings of this naming convention, and similarily Basic, and even Evo.  It seems like the "Basic" naming convention was used only for a very short time or in regions where it had a better translation.

So I'm just saying better to play it safe, as we all know the naming of SAKs has been anything but precise.  I'll keep an eye open for references to the Basic Series.

Francis,
let me check tomorrow morning why the Entree page has these two identifiers:
1.63.41 Wenger AN: standard configuration
1.063.049.000 Wenger AN: standard configuration (Classic 63)
as I have all my catalogs at work.
It could be very possibly because of an error, and I apologize in advance if it was the case.
However, it took me almost two weeks for just for editing the classic menu, because I was cross-checking data and catalog numbers using 5 european catalogs and 2 North American ones.
So the edits were made only after some serious research and I totally agree that a "slow" approach is the way to go!

I know; I trust your research, but I just want to be careful as you well know new information appears all the time and we have to make corrections.

Classic 63 was just one example, don't worry too much about the examples I gave for that one because this is just part of the basic naming of that series, there is nothing really special about the Classic 63 example.  I could have used Classic 62, Classic 66 or others in my example.  I was just showing the nature of these naming conventions that use a name and number in that they are not precise.  The same is true for the Evo system today especially between S versions and non-S version that retain the same number but may change tools as well as having the lock or not.

I think someone had a bad idea to call the traditional knives the Basic Series, but before it got too far someone put a stop to it and they started using the Classic naming.  Or it was a particular region did have a good translation and somehow we ended up with Basic for a while before it was caught.  However since Wenger has changed numbering at some times that may account for some of the number changes as well for the same model.

Update: Just to be clear I do agree that Basic 5 and Basic 11 seem to be incorrect, but I'm wondering why that is; either there was a change in some Wenger numbering, something like Enki suggests and there was a more basic translation issue between some region sites, or just simply someplace had it wrong.

No worries, it is always nice to discuss about Wengers. 
I checked again, and I think that at the moment the wiki page is 100% correct (apart from the Basic "5" dilemma).
Anyway, at the moment the Entrée page list both the Basic ("5" for the wiki, "63" according to my data) and the Classic 63.
The identifier 1.63.41 is the correct one for the Basic 63 (or "5" following the wiki name).
This identifier does not refer to the Classic 63



As for the Classic 63, my information matches the ones that Karl provided.
All the references I found show the Classic 63 with toothpick and tweezers



I think that the identifier shown in the wiki is the correct one for the Classic 63

[basilio]

As for the Basic line discussion, I honestly think that Enki was very correct about the possible reason of the names Basic 5 and Basic 11.
As for my data.
European 1995 catalog (already in the wiki)


European 2006 catalog


As you can see all the catalog numbers do match.

As I stated in my previous message, the european 2005 catalog only mention few models. Interesting enough the 2005 catalog show only the knife name, but not the catalog numbers.
Will try to upload it and the 2006 one.

[ICanFixThat]

....

Anyway, at the moment the Entrée page list both the Basic ("5" for the wiki, "63" according to my data) and the Classic 63.
The identifier 1.63.41 is the correct one for the Basic 63 (or "5" following the wiki name).
This identifier does not refer to the Classic 63

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As for the Classic 63, my information matches the ones that Karl provided.
All the references I found show the Classic 63 with toothpick and tweezers

(Image removed from quote.)

I think that the identifier shown in the wiki is the correct one for the Classic 63

Here is an example from the Eastern Europe Distributor catalog for the Classic 63.  I didn't see this catalog on the Wiki, so I'll try to track it down and post it.  I'm not sure of the date, but I think a member here, SOSAK, or guns.ru said it was 2008 some time back when we were using it as a reference for the origional Ranger Series.  It could be it was just converted in 2008, I can remember off the top of my head.

[ICanFixThat]

 

[basilio]

Here is an example from the Eastern Europe Distributor catalog for the Classic 63.  I didn't see this catalog on the Wiki, so I'll try to track it down and post it.  I'm not sure of the date, but I think a member here, SOSAK, or guns.ru said it was 2008 some time back when we were using it as a reference for the origional Ranger Series.  It could be it was just converted in 2008, I can remember off the top of my head.

Ah, now I understand why you were referring to two different Classic 63 models, with and without toothpick and tweezers!
Seems like they are using the catalog numbers of both the Basic and the Classic line, but they are listing the knife just as Classic 63

[basilio]

EAGLE

The Wenger 1979 catalog also list an Eagle (16951), basically a Viking/Classic 101 with an eagle on the handle. I don't have one; does anyone here have a decent photo?

The only image I ever saw is in the catalog that Francis posted.
I think it is also interesting the Deer, which has a different imprint as the one usually seen.
-------
I have this knife coming from the USA.
Do you think the image is a company logo or a Wenger imprint?
The knife is the "locking Monarch" we have been discussing few pages back.

[ICanFixThat]

That's an interesting one.  I think it looks like a Wenger-Imprint.

[basilio]

That's an interesting one.  I think it looks like a Wenger-Imprint.

I think the same, but need to have the knife in my hands first.
I will post pictures when I'll get it.
I saw the auction (USA only) by pure luck, using my "ebay cheat" and had tatoosteven buying it for me.
I think the seller is the same of the Sailfish that Karl bought.

[ColoSwiss]

EAGLE

The Wenger 1979 catalog also list an Eagle (16951), basically a Viking/Classic 101 with an eagle on the handle. I don't have one; does anyone here have a decent photo?

The only image I ever saw is in the catalog that Francis posted.
I think it is also interesting the Deer, which has a different imprint as the one usually seen.
-------
I have this knife coming from the USA.
Do you think the image is a company logo or a Wenger imprint?
The knife is the "locking Monarch" we have been discussing few pages back.

Very nice! Never seen that logo before. Agree with Francis that it looks like Wenger did it. Wonder if it's a rare standard model? Could be a special run for some outdoor equipment company, but all the ones I have (Eddie Bauer, Cabela's, Orvis, etc.)  have the company name prominently on the knife.

I bought the Sailfish from winddance.