Anyone see this YT of Sebenza vs ColdSteel?

[Aloha]

I dont have a dog in the fight nor am I interested in either blade.  It was interesting non the less.  I do enjoy watching the hard use testing of all knives and testing in general. 

[powernoodle]

Yeah, I saw it and there was plenty of talk about it on a knife forum.  But I've been carrying and using knives for 35 years, and have never once come close to placing any forces on the lock.  I slice and push cut, and that's about it.  I recognize, though, that other people use their knives for digging, prying, etc., so a functioning lock is important.   Beating on the spine of a folder just seems stupid to me. But I'm with you - it is fun to watch someone destroy a Sebenza.

[AimlessWanderer]

No offence to anybody anywhere, but what the hell is the point of these videos? It's like testing to see which of a £10 hat and a £100 hat works best as shoes.....

Is the knife buying public really that utterly incompetent at using a knife, that they need to have a lock that needs load and impact testing?

[Aloha]

Its a kin to "testing" anything to its point of failure.  Like blowing smurf up, do we expect the item to survive?  No, we just like watching explosions.  No intellectual guidance needed for me. At least that's my take on it.

I maybe a sick puppy  .     

[Gareth]

If this was a video of two knives both claiming to have the strongest locks in the world.......I'd still not be all that interested, but I'd at least kinda see the point.   Otherwise I'm with Powernoodle and Al; this is a test that seems pretty pointless to me too.

[AimlessWanderer]

Its a kin to "testing" anything to its point of failure.  Like blowing smurf up, do we expect the item to survive?  No, we just like watching explosions.  No intellectual guidance needed for me. At least that's my take on it.

I maybe a sick puppy  .   

If it was a test of how much cutting force it could apply before failing, I'd understand. Maybe if it was how hard a material it could cut. If anyone likes this kind of stuff, that's fine. It just seems utterly pointless to me

Again, no offense to anyone anywhere 

[Aloha]

Its a kin to "testing" anything to its point of failure.  Like blowing smurf up, do we expect the item to survive?  No, we just like watching explosions.  No intellectual guidance needed for me. At least that's my take on it.

I maybe a sick puppy  .   

If it was a test of how much cutting force it could apply before failing, I'd understand. Maybe if it was how hard a material it could cut. If anyone likes this kind of stuff, that's fine. It just seems utterly pointless to me

Again, no offense to anyone anywhere 

You aren't missing anything other than the humor of it ( or lack thereof ) .  It doesn't mean squat in the end, it doesn't have to mean anything.  Well unless of course one will be "testing" their knife in this manner.

I also like the Russian (?) guy vininull's channel.  Most of the stuff done is not what a typical user will do but fun ( to me ) to see non the less. 

The blade steel used in the Sebenza has been well tested.  That would be a boring video ( to me ) about how S35V performs since there are more than enough of those.  Lets destroy some knives.  Blow smurf up.

No offense taken at least on my part.  I don't own either         

[AimlessWanderer]

I'm obviously looking for something meaningful 

  silly me 

[Higgins617]

Good locks are piece of mind more than anything, I never really intend on prying or doing things that would put real force on it. But if someone told you hey this knife has one of the most solid locks in the business, it's something I'd like. Not being able to cut my fingers is a good thing if I ever do something stupid, which I have

[sawman]

I'm not impressed and I don't feel these tests are really necessary. While I appreciate a knife in certain situations that's not going to close up on my fingers, most locks are more than adequate for my uses.

[Higgins617]

I'm not impressed and I don't feel these tests are really necessary. While I appreciate a knife in certain situations that's not going to close up on my fingers, most locks are more than adequate for my uses.

Fact. I'm not trying to defend the tests

[shark_za]

Why doesn't someone do real tests like cutting hanging pieces of meat. 

[dks]

+1 

[bdAmmo]

Well I guess you get what you pay for .  Haha

[Aloha]

Why doesn't someone do real tests like cutting hanging pieces of meat. 

Seriously 
 

[shark_za]

/sarcasm on
oh yes, hang big pieces and see how the knives slash and hack them.
/sarcasm off



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[Aloha]

/sarcasm on
oh yes, hang big pieces and see how the knives slash and hack them.
/sarcasm off



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Maybe have a large man wielding the knife,  oooh and maybe just for fun the could add in some ballistic torsos.   

[dks]

I love videos like this

[Aloha]

Why doesn't someone do real tests like cutting hanging pieces of meat. 

Seriously 
 

I was also trying to be sarcastic. My apologies if it wasn't done well.   Guess I'm the only one who like to see smurf blow up. 

Fact is most people use their knives simply.  I've not seen anyone personally use their knife in a manner that in any way was unsafe......... wait.

When I worked as a chef I did see several times when knives were used to scape cooktops and open #3 cans of food.  I also saw knives being used to pry stuff as well.  Know mind you these were not expensive knives nor the chefs personal knives it was always "kitchen" knives.  It was surprising non the less at how much these "cheap" knives endured.   

[captain spaulding]

Something is not right. If the "new" Sebenzas lock can be defeated by 45 pounds force I would be able to defeat the lock by hand correct? Something seems fishy.

[Aloha]

Something is not right. If the "new" Sebenzas lock can be defeated by 45 pounds force I would be able to defeat the lock by hand correct? Something seems fishy.

Don't know the answer to that Capt.  What has been discussed is the CS triad lock was designed for this particular lock test and most other locks are not ( someone will correct me I'm sure ).  So this "test" in no way ( more knowledgeable knife people's opinions ) takes away from the Sebenza frame lock.

I wont begin to portray myself as a knowledgeable knife person so all my info has come as a result of whats being discussed. 



       

[sawman]

 

Anyone wants their knives tested, send them to ME as I will find a way to break them and return the pieces to you!


YES!! I OWN HAMMERS!!!!!

[SAK Guy]

Why doesn't someone do real tests like cutting hanging pieces of meat. 

As a long time recipient of the Cold Steel DVD's.......

 

I got it! 

[ducttapetech]

I like to see stuff get blow up or see stuff get broken.

[captain spaulding]

Something is not right. If the "new" Sebenzas lock can be defeated by 45 pounds force I would be able to defeat the lock by hand correct? Something seems fishy.

Don't know the answer to that Capt.  What has been discussed is the CS triad lock was designed for this particular lock test and most other locks are not ( someone will correct me I'm sure ).  So this "test" in no way ( more knowledgeable knife people's opinions ) takes away from the Sebenza frame lock.

I wont begin to portray myself as a knowledgeable knife person so all my info has come as a result of whats being discussed. 



     

I am in no way defending the Sebenza (not saying you said I was). If it really does fail at 45 lbs, even in a ridiculously pointless test, I would say that is unacceptable. From a similar BladeHQ test they did 300 lb + on cheap Chinese knives. I have a very hard time believing the Sebenza would fail at 45 lb. This goes back to the 45 lb thing. I could most definitely apply 45 lb's of force in the same direction of the test.... which I just did with my large 21 and my Sebenza in no way failed or showed any sign of even coming close to failure. This was not any sort of real "test", just me applying generous force to see if I could get it to collapse and I could not. Given the force is applied slightly differently as when you hang a 45 lb weight it is putting all the force on a small area and depending on where you place the connection (towards the pivot or all the way away from the pivot) will affect the actual weight being applied. Something to mention as well. Normally in these test they will show close ups of how the lock failed. They did not do this with either Sebenza in the video. A bit suspect as well if you ask me.

In a nutshell. I think something is not right. If I am wrong and the Sebenza failed at 45 lb's Chris Reeve needs to take a hard look at a redesign as that performance is unacceptable given the performance of other knives that have gone through the test.

On a separate, but related note. I do not like Cold Steel knives and even more dislike the people running the show over there. I do not like the slice and dice everything in my way type of attitude. Lets chop pigs in half with a huge sword scene is ridiculous to me. What really bugs me the most is how they handle things within the knife community. They are always wanting to gain customers by trying to put down other companies. As i'm sure most of you know they tried to sue CRKT (and lost). If you have a superior product then your sales will speak volumes. Obviously they are either hurting for customers or just smurf bag's because all they do is say how superior they are to other companies and how other companies are deceiving to their customers. It's funny how all those companies they talk bad about have much larger sales and fan base than them. If I think the owners a smurf then I am not going to buy their products, and I don't.

that's just my thoughts on the matter. I'm not saying I am right or anything like that. Just my opinion.

[Aloha]

I find their slice and dice whatever they call it videos utterly ridiculous and fun to watch. 

On the Sebenza and the so called "test", I really have no clue what happened.  I am not that knowledgable about knife making nor the minutia regarding construction/design/engineering.

Again, I really only watched to see smurf break. 

I did watch the apostlePs response to the video and what he said made sense.  In no way are Sebenza owners selling their knives nor should they as a result of the video.

   

[dks]

Just saw the video and you would have expected some better results.

I also saw a few of the youtube videos discussing and trying to decipher the failure. The apostle youtuber sugests that if someone was holding the knife tightly during the test the sebenza would not have failed.
So I expect lots of people to spine whack their sebenza, whilst holding the handle really tight.…
I do wonder if other framelocks would behave the same way....

[AimlessWanderer]

It failed because someone treated it in a stupid and inappropriate way. Seems simple enough to me 


Oh, I really really hope people do start doing spine whacks with their hands tightly clasped around the handle. Removal of the opposable digit would probably be an appropriate injury for that level of stupid

[Joe58]

I agree with the Capt.

I've a couple Sebenzas and I was surprised it failed at that low of weight. I'd rather see the test done on two separate knives instead of the same knife after the spine whack. I think that must have damaged the lock somewhat perhaps. Dunno. I know I cannot close any of mine by hand. Not even the Ti-Spine.

Only thing I can see useful in the video is maybe if you were to use the knife in like a hammer hold stabbing into something where there could be abnormal torque placed on the knife. Maybe you're in some sort of situation that would require that. Like a bear is on your butt and you're stabbing a tree to lever yourself up to the branches? Lol.

I think most people acknowledge the Tri-Ad is a strong lock, so why these tests is beyond me. Wouldn't really influence my decision to buy either knife. If you're using your knife properly, you should be ok with about any lock. And I mostly have carried slippies my entire life, and I'm still equipped with all my fingers. And thumbs. Do have a few scars though. 

[dks]

The test was done using 2 sebenzas, which makes the result even more interesting.
You can see him getting the second knife and testing it with weights, after the first one fails with the weights, just to make sure that the failure was not from a damaged lock, but it was true for the whole line.