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How do you guys feel about Damascus?
on: November 21, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
Just wondering what you guys thought about Damascus knives. Do you think it really helps with blade retention, is it a gimmick or just something  else to get us to buy because it is pretty? :dd: :D

I have a few pocket knives in it and love the way it looks but I don't feel that it cuts any better than regular carbon or stainless steel and I probably haven't cut enough with any of them to test edge retention :think:

So thoughts?

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 05:53:27 PM
 

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 05:56:01 PM
Also since it adds to the cost  (significantly in some cases) is it worth the extra? :D
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 06:05:34 PM
Damascus that is forged like a japanese sword will undoubtly make for a better knife (why else would the Japanese samurai go through all the effort?)

For the chemical process that mimicks Damasc layers though...
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #4 on: November 21, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
It is just for looks.

Historically, maaaaaaany years ago, it was made with special metal, or was the only way to make certain objects.

now it just looks nice, until you use it and the etching is removed....

there are also various grades/types. you have SS damascus, like the one used by victorrinox and some really cheap rubbish used on ebay, low end, knives.... but it looks good, when new (you can re-etch it if you want, using acid)

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #5 on: November 21, 2016, 06:35:22 PM
Modern metallurgy has rendered it obsolete in any practical sense, but there's no doubt it's pretty.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #6 on: November 21, 2016, 06:37:49 PM
Agree with Gareth and dks. It's all for looks, not function. It offers no functional benefit over the myriad of knife steels already available. If you want "pretty", then go ahead, but if you want performance attributes, there's better alternatives at lower prices (depending what attribute you're chasing)


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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #7 on: November 21, 2016, 06:45:40 PM
On one of my knives the different metals used in the blade are more visible on the spine. It actually looks to be different types of steel in those blades that when ground would give it the Damascus appearance :think:

It is the one I am carrying and I will try to get a pic of this and put it up so you can see what I am talking about :tu:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #8 on: November 21, 2016, 06:47:15 PM
I love damascus. Modern damascus is a trial and error process of reproducing the old, legendary Damascus steel. Noone has succeeded yet. Basically because we don't know the exact ingredients and techniques the old Persians were using.
The Lionsteel blade in the first picture is made of Swedish powder steel damascus. It is a stainless steel, unlike most damascus steels.
The Boker Magnum Damascus Cuisine in the second pic is made of cheaper Chinese damascus. It's of a good quality though.
The MCusta in the second pic is top notch, entirely made out of damascus.
The Hartkopf in the third pic is a traditional damascus made of steel coming from the G3 Sturmgewehr (assault rifle).
The Fox in the third pic is made of Oreste Frati damascus, the Hartkopf in the fourth is a rose pattern by Markus Balbach.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #9 on: November 21, 2016, 06:57:47 PM
This MCusta blade is made of three different steels. The knife has a core of VG-10, the outer damascus layers contain two 420-based steels, one of them having a relatively high nickel content. This technique, with a hard steel core and softer outer layers, is called San Mai. (The outer layers needn't be damascus.)
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #10 on: November 21, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
Nice pics of a variety of different Damascus types Ronald :cheers: :like:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #11 on: November 21, 2016, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on November 21, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
Nice pics of a variety of different Damascus types Ronald :cheers: :like:
Thanks. I don't think I have any more.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #12 on: November 21, 2016, 07:11:59 PM
These two pics are of the spey blade :tu:

20161121_120339 by Poncho 65, on Flickr

20161121_120433 by Poncho 65, on Flickr

Now the clip point :tu:

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20161121_120506 by Poncho 65, on Flickr

Also of note these Hen and Roosters knives are all made in Spain vs. Germany :tu:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #13 on: November 21, 2016, 07:12:15 PM
Quote from: Ronald Schröder on November 21, 2016, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on November 21, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
Nice pics of a variety of different Damascus types Ronald :cheers: :like:
Thanks. I don't think I have any more.

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #14 on: November 21, 2016, 07:15:02 PM
How do I feel about Damascus?

.....Won't rest until I've made my own  :rofl:

It's days as a performance steel is long gone...

Still effective, and I think mosaic Damascus is high art  :salute:

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #15 on: November 21, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
It is a misconception that two different steels are needed to produce damascus. Starting with any steel, the process of folding and hammering, and optionally stamping patterns, is done to strengthen the structure of the steel. This was known in ancient Persia and 18th century Japan. The steel wins in toughness and will have a better edge (ceteris paribus).
It is not very difficult to make your own. If you know how to make a knife out of a file, then the difficult part is cared for. Creating a block of damascus steel out of your file is a lot of work but needs only basic tools. You won't see the pattern until you etch the blade with acid though.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #16 on: November 21, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
an old thread with some information and photographs

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #17 on: November 21, 2016, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: dks on November 21, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
an old thread with some information and photographs

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,48685.0.html

Thanks for the link :hatsoff:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #18 on: November 21, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
keep your hats on ! 
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #19 on: November 21, 2016, 07:55:56 PM
I'm skeptical of it b/c of how many companies are selling cheap "damascus" blades
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #20 on: November 21, 2016, 08:13:43 PM
No doubt it looks pretty but I don't really buy the idea that it makes the steel better. No doubt back in the days working with impure ores and crude forges it made a difference. In modern day I believe a laminated steel will outperform it any day since it allows you to have the special properties of your different steels right where you want them and not just intermingled at random.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #21 on: November 21, 2016, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Fortytwo on November 21, 2016, 08:13:43 PM
No doubt it looks pretty but I don't really buy the idea that it makes the steel better. No doubt back in the days working with impure ores and crude forges it made a difference. In modern day I believe a laminated steel will outperform it any day since it allows you to have the special properties of your different steels right where you want them and not just intermingled at random.
Not entirely true. Each separate layer of your laminate may be damascened to strengthen it beyond its current state. Proper damascening changes the steel's structure at a microscopic level, making it tougher.
It is the combination of folding and hammering that make the damascus. The etching is only for show.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #22 on: November 21, 2016, 08:35:52 PM
I find them ugly.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #23 on: November 21, 2016, 08:38:28 PM
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #24 on: November 21, 2016, 08:42:08 PM
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #25 on: November 21, 2016, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: Kampfer on November 21, 2016, 08:35:52 PM
I find them ugly.
To each his own. You could polish a damascus blade to remove the patterns and still have a high quality blade. Most Japanese katanas are damascened but not etched. (The hamon line on a katana is not produced by etching).
You shouldn't mix up the technique of creating damascus steel and the looks created by etching the blade.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #26 on: November 21, 2016, 09:12:00 PM
One more picture for the sheer fun of it. Two of my favorites: Victorinox liner-locked Fireman (camo rescale) and Hartkopf lockback ivory/damascus.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #27 on: November 21, 2016, 09:46:45 PM
This one's on my wish list. Not only does it have a damascus blade, the bolster is made of a mix of softer metals. A Japanese technique called mokume gane.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #28 on: November 21, 2016, 10:42:05 PM
Gorgeous knives fellas  :salute:

I dont have any Damacus blades but I'd love to get one at some point.  They look gorgeous to my eyes and whether they are up to the standards of high performance steels I'll leave that to those with much more knowledge than myself.  I've always felt the etching on th blade is high art as well.  Such a nice added treat to have those patterns on a folder just because you can. 
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #29 on: November 21, 2016, 11:46:59 PM
Merit Badges Find him! Post your pocket dump photos then challenge two more members who must post their pocket dump photos within 24hrs for you to get the badge. Must update or add a page on the Multitool.org Multitool Encyclopedia Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a ratcheting tool, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Carry an orange item and post a picture of it everyday for 30 days. Start a thread with a photo of at least ten OPT's in your collection Participate in a challenge by carrying  a Leatherman Pulse or ST200 and post a photo of it  for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the Leatherman MiniTool for thirty (30) consecutive days. In this challenge,  carry one(1) Pliers-based or Non-pliers multitool that we always have prejudice against, hate or even fear and post a picture everyday for 30 days Using EDC items randomly selected with a poker hand, post a photo of your EDC or a component of the EDC that got used during the course of the day for 4 weeks (or 30 consecutive days) In the spirit of the Batman utility belt. A 30 day challenge were you have to have at least 2 things clipped to your belt (preferably more). Start a thread and post a picture of your clipped gear each day for 30 days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a Leatherman Skeletool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Only for the 14th year Anniversary Challenge. Post a photo of any gear for thirty (30) consecutive days during the MTo anniversary month. You have one of your pictures in the 2020 calendar or in top three of the calendar poll in any month of the given year. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the LM Crunch  Multitool for fifteen (15) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the keychain for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. You have one of your pictures in the 2017 calendar or in top three of the calendar poll in any month of the given year.

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