Unlocking your Spirit

[SteveC]

Great to know that this works

Thanks for trying this Peacent and Troels has given another approach to this as well

Can you see the video I linked? I think I messed up, but if I haven't, I did some more video on that "detent" and easy closing

Video not worky

[Aloha]

 

[magentus]

Ok, so it's done.  At first all implements lock and have strong detent. Classic Victorinox motion, nice fluis snaps and half stops.

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I used the MP600's blade to pop off the spring. It slided off its place and opened (widened) but still remained attached to the tab on the outer part of the corner.

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This sliding tab is soldered to the spring, so even if you pop it off its original position the spring remains attached to the tool. So I forced it a bit more. I grabbed it with the needle nose pliers and pulled.

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Took some force but finally snapped off cleanly.

The tools still have detent, and won't come off the closed position or move even if I shake the Spirit. They remain closed -or open- under tension. But as you might have guessed, the implements do no longer lock.

http://[URL=http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/2017-04-05%2020.16.17_zpsfamaucjh.mp4][IMG]http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/th_2017-04-05%2020.16.17_zpsfamaucjh.mp4[/img][/url]

It takes some force, but with a finger's strength one can close the open blade, or any of the handle's implements. It cannot longer be repaired easily, the spring is "broken" and should be somehow attached again to the tab, that remains now in a backed up position (as if it were permanently unlocked)

Thanks for doing this TP  You have gone over and above what is expected of you as a forum member. It's great to know that the tools are all still useful once the spring has been sprung, so now I must go away for some time and meditate on the next course of action. 

[zoidberg]

Ok, so it's done.  At first all implements lock and have strong detent. Classic Victorinox motion, nice fluis snaps and half stops.

(Image removed from quote.)

(Image removed from quote.)

I used the MP600's blade to pop off the spring. It slided off its place and opened (widened) but still remained attached to the tab on the outer part of the corner.

(Image removed from quote.)

This sliding tab is soldered to the spring, so even if you pop it off its original position the spring remains attached to the tool. So I forced it a bit more. I grabbed it with the needle nose pliers and pulled.

(Image removed from quote.)

Took some force but finally snapped off cleanly.

The tools still have detent, and won't come off the closed position or move even if I shake the Spirit. They remain closed -or open- under tension. But as you might have guessed, the implements do no longer lock.

http://[URL=http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/2017-04-05%2020.16.17_zpsfamaucjh.mp4][IMG]http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/th_2017-04-05%2020.16.17_zpsfamaucjh.mp4[/img][/url]

It takes some force, but with a finger's strength one can close the open blade, or any of the handle's implements. It cannot longer be repaired easily, the spring is "broken" and should be somehow attached again to the tab, that remains now in a backed up position (as if it were permanently unlocked)

Thanks for doing this TP  You have gone over and above what is expected of you as a forum member. It's great to know that the tools are all still useful once the spring has been sprung, so now I must go away for some time and meditate on the next course of action. 

Light a match when you're done mags.   

[magentus]

Ok, so it's done.  At first all implements lock and have strong detent. Classic Victorinox motion, nice fluis snaps and half stops.

(Image removed from quote.)

(Image removed from quote.)

I used the MP600's blade to pop off the spring. It slided off its place and opened (widened) but still remained attached to the tab on the outer part of the corner.

(Image removed from quote.)

This sliding tab is soldered to the spring, so even if you pop it off its original position the spring remains attached to the tool. So I forced it a bit more. I grabbed it with the needle nose pliers and pulled.

(Image removed from quote.)

Took some force but finally snapped off cleanly.

The tools still have detent, and won't come off the closed position or move even if I shake the Spirit. They remain closed -or open- under tension. But as you might have guessed, the implements do no longer lock.

http://[URL=http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/2017-04-05%2020.16.17_zpsfamaucjh.mp4][IMG]http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/th_2017-04-05%2020.16.17_zpsfamaucjh.mp4[/img][/url]

It takes some force, but with a finger's strength one can close the open blade, or any of the handle's implements. It cannot longer be repaired easily, the spring is "broken" and should be somehow attached again to the tab, that remains now in a backed up position (as if it were permanently unlocked)

Thanks for doing this TP  You have gone over and above what is expected of you as a forum member. It's great to know that the tools are all still useful once the spring has been sprung, so now I must go away for some time and meditate on the next course of action. 

Light a match when you're done mags.   

Who's been ratting me out?

[hiraethus]

The 'office' is in a bit of a state at the moment but if you need tools, moral support or even just someone to make tea then you could come over to get some fettling done at mine.

[magentus]

The 'office' is in a bit of a state at the moment but if you need tools, moral support or even just someone to make tea then you could come over to get some fettling done at mine.

Thanks H 

[firiki]

Lots of butchering going on in this thread

@ThePeacent: Respect, man, thank you for going so far  

I suspect the tools, like the pry tool, are prone to fold if you twist the handles? Something in the video link is wrong, can't see the action

Now, if you will, please excuse me; I need to lie down before I faint!

[firiki]

Light a match when you're done mags.   

[firiki]

magentus, I think filing down that notch is preferable.

[Mechanickal]

Give TP a badge!

[Aloha]

So I guess the next course of action is to see how easily the spring can be put back.

I suspect this tool can now be carried legally in area where it wasn't?

[magentus]

Give TP a badge!

+1  for services to The Cause

[Poncho65]

Great to know that this works

Thanks for trying this Peacent and Troels has given another approach to this as well

Can you see the video I linked? I think I messed up, but if I haven't, I did some more video on that "detent" and easy closing

Link not working for me either 

I will try on my desktop when I get home

Great job and thanks for finding this out Peacent 

[Poncho65]

So Mags have you ripped the little spring out yet

[magentus]

So Mags have you ripped the little spring out yet

Patience little one. I am stiil meditating upon the matter. My masters in the warp dimensions are conferring amongst themselves - it's like the Ent council. They can take millenia to reach a decision.

[ThePeacent]

I'm gonna try and put the spring back now. I'll take pics (sorry I can't make the videos work no matter how hard I try)
Let's see if tension and pressure alone are enough to put it back into place.

Wait some minutes folks   

[magentus]

I'm gonna try and put the spring back now. I'll take pics (sorry I can't make the videos work no matter how hard I try)
Let's see if tension and pressure alone are enough to put it back into place.

Wait some minutes folks   

You're my new hero TP - My old one was Odin, so no pressure.............

[ThePeacent]

Ok, I experimented some more: here's what I found.
First of all the Spring is darn difficult to put back, no matter if the tools are full open or half open, and if the sliding tab is in "lock" or "unlock" mode. My attempts have been in vain, I couldn't place it back





what I found out also it's the fact the once the implements (i.e. blade) are deployed you can still lock them without the spring. If the sliding tab is pushed forward(1st pic) the tools can't be folded back, so even without the spring you have a locking blade



if you then push the tab back, the implements are unlocked and fold after applying some pressure. The scissors/file side is also unlocked in a similar fashion when all the functions are deployed, and even with the spring there is no noticeable difference in the strength needed to push any of the implements back into the handle in the springless side vs the sprung side



Conclusion(s): Even if you lose/remove the spring, the tools can be locked by sliding the tab forward (towards the unfolded tools). If you wish to fold them back you slide the tab as you'd do with a normal Spirit that had the spring, with the difference that this time it'll require less force to be slid back as no spring is putting pressure on it.
The implements are strongly secured if the tab is put into "lock" mode no matter if there is a spring or not, but they're folded back much more easily if there is no spring to hold the tab into one or other position.

And...vic's construction is indeed millimetrically precise. No matter what pliers or tools I used I couldn't mount it back effectively 
I hope my English and explanations were clear enough   

[Poncho65]

Very clear explanation So I guess grinding the notch will have to be the way to go now

Hope you have luck getting the spring back in later Peacent 

[magentus]

Outstanding TP  That opens a whole can of worms. My Masters in the Warp shall hear of your courage.

[Aloha]

GIVE THE MAN A BADGE

That was a very interesting discovery.  Very well done 

[firiki]

I wish you people would stop writting TP for ThePeacent... It always makes me think of you know what.


But yes, DO GIVE THE MAN A BADGE!

[magentus]

Working on it..........

[firiki]

The implements are strongly secured if the tab is put into "lock" mode no matter if there is a spring or not, but they're folded back much more easily if there is no spring to hold the tab into one or other position.

So, if I understand this correctly, there's enough tension between the backsprings and the locking tab for the latter to stay in locked position and keep the tools open?!

[ThePeacent]

The implements are strongly secured if the tab is put into "lock" mode no matter if there is a spring or not, but they're folded back much more easily if there is no spring to hold the tab into one or other position.

So, if I understand this correctly, there's enough tension between the backsprings and the locking tab for the latter to stay in locked position and keep the tools open?!

Indeed, and if I understand the question correctly, the answer would be:

Even if you remove the spring inside the handle, if you unfold the tools of that same handle completely (180 degrees) and gently push the tab forward it'll remain in that position, securely locking the tools. Even if you then shake the Spirit as if it were a cocktail, the tab will remain there on "locked" mode as it's necessary to deliberately push it backwards to the unlocked mode to be able to fold the tools back.

Was I clear enough? 

[firiki]

The implements are strongly secured if the tab is put into "lock" mode no matter if there is a spring or not, but they're folded back much more easily if there is no spring to hold the tab into one or other position.

So, if I understand this correctly, there's enough tension between the backsprings and the locking tab for the latter to stay in locked position and keep the tools open?!

Indeed, and if I understand the question correctly, the answer would be:

Even if you remove the spring inside the handle, if you unfold the tools of that same handle completely (180 degrees) and gently push the tab forward it'll remain in that position, securely locking the tools. Even if you then shake the Spirit as if it were a cocktail, the tab will remain there on "locked" mode as it's necessary to deliberately push it backwards to the unlocked mode to be able to fold the tools back.

Was I clear enough? 

Perfectamente sencillo y entendible, hombre! Muchisimas gracias por su pruebas!       


Someone make this a sticky now, please?

[Mechanickal]

Oh my!
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Guys!
...

For the first time in like... ages...

I feel like I'm actualy learning something in a MTO thread...

[magentus]

This is ground breaking stuff isn't it? It's kind of like when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon!

[Mechanickal]

This is ground breaking stuff isn't it? It's kind of like when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon!

Did he use his Master craftsman to pull out the springs from his Apollo?