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Folding Knives for EDC 2016

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2017, 06:23:38 PM »
Not sure if mentioned?  Lockback hunting style knife  :tu:
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2017, 06:30:42 PM »
I believe that the Sodbuster is originally a German design. I also have a feeling that the majority of US traditional knives were originally British patterns?

I don't know if the American companies copied the designs that we were already selling them, or if our patterns were influenced by the fact that we were selling heavily into the American market .... or a mixture of both.  :think: There doesn't seem to be a complete mirroring either. Lambsfoot blades and Wharncliffe's seem to be less popular in the States, and such as the Congress seems less popular over here. There seems to be less traditional double-ended penknives (aka sleeveboard) about these days too. My grandfather always carried penknives rather than the larger "farmers knives" that he would consider many traditional slippies to be.

Do you mean your grandfather carried something like these Hartkopf knives?

Like the top one, yes  :tu:


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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2017, 06:45:20 PM »
The Sodbuster, or something I can't discern from a Sodbuster is often called Hippekniep in German and Mineur in French. I think such a basic pattern could easily flow very quickly between Sheffield-Solingen-Thiers making tracking the history somewhat challenging. I've seen it presented as a traditional American pattern on US sites, a traditional French pattern in French stores, and the Germans lay claim to it as well. I suspect they are all correct.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2017, 06:50:10 PM »
I believe that the Sodbuster is originally a German design. I also have a feeling that the majority of US traditional knives were originally British patterns?

I don't know if the American companies copied the designs that we were already selling them, or if our patterns were influenced by the fact that we were selling heavily into the American market .... or a mixture of both.  :think: There doesn't seem to be a complete mirroring either. Lambsfoot blades and Wharncliffe's seem to be less popular in the States, and such as the Congress seems less popular over here. There seems to be less traditional double-ended penknives (aka sleeveboard) about these days too. My grandfather always carried penknives rather than the larger "farmers knives" that he would consider many traditional slippies to be.

Do you mean your grandfather carried something like these Hartkopf knives?

Like the top one, yes  :tu:

First time I heard the name sleeveboard.  8)
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2017, 07:00:09 PM »
The Sodbuster must be coming from the German Hippekniep
https://www.windmuehlenme...ekniep-small-walnut-wood/


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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2017, 07:16:59 PM »
A current French Sodbuster
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2017, 07:23:10 PM »



There are many variations, like this Papagayo.  I find them all appealing.


And a Robert Klaas Mule (Solingen)





The Antonini Lupo


« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 08:01:59 PM by kkokkolis »

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2017, 07:35:24 PM »
I like the looks of that one too. But I went to a shop to see it in real life and found it had a lot of blade play. I asked the salesperson if he had some more, he did, but they were all equally bad. (These were the plastic handle versions)
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 07:37:26 PM by Ronald Schröder »
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2017, 07:37:56 PM »
Updated list


In bold the ones I would like to have (with exclamation point the ones I already have).
Nontron, Joker, Antonini and other European makers make some old style knives. Some are far than the early "penny" knives, costing more than 60 euros today.
I guess that all originals are Eurasian designs and were radiated across the world with colonialism and the expanse of western civilisation.
That happened before. The Kukri is similar to the Macedonian Machaira (machaira means knife and it is the same in modern Greek), perhaps a heritage of the Hellenistic expansion to India. America and Oceania were in the stone or chalcolithic age when Sheffield, Thiers, Solingen and Gifu thrived.

1. Bursa Arnavut Çakısı (Turkey- Albania)
2. Lierenaar Farmers Knife (Belgium)
3. Manly Knife (Bulgaria)
4. Mikov Fish Knive (Czechia)
5. Opinel Yatagan (France)!
6. (Forge de) Laguiole (France)
7. Douk-Douk (France)!
8. Merkator K55K (Germany)!

9. Szankovits (Hungary)
10. Maskara (Hungary)
11. Stilleto (Italy)
12. Resolza Pattada (Sardinia)
13. MAM Corta e Pica (Portugal)
14. Caneças  (Portugal)
15. (Joker) Navaja (Spain)
16. Swiss Army Knives family (Switzerland)!
17. Sheffield knife (England)
18. Higonogami (Japan)
19. Nontron knife (France)

20. Scarperia knives (Italy)
21. Vendetta Corsa (France)
22. Sodbuster (US), Hippekniep, (Germany), Couteau de Pays Terroir (France)
23. SVORD Peasant (NZ)
24. Okapi (Germany, South Africa)!
25. Trattenbacher Zauckerl (Austria)

26. Traditional Slipjoints (Sheffield, US)
26. Buck 110 lockback hunter (US)
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 07:42:48 PM by kkokkolis »

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2017, 07:39:05 PM »
I like the looks of that one too. But I went to a shop to see it in real life and found it had a lot of blade play. I asked the salesperson if he had some more, he did, but they were all equally bad. (These were the plastic handle versions)


They are supposed to be primitive!


But the Mercator, the Okapi, the Douk-Douk and the Opinels are all sturdy designs.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2017, 09:14:43 PM »
I like the looks of that one too. But I went to a shop to see it in real life and found it had a lot of blade play. I asked the salesperson if he had some more, he did, but they were all equally bad. (These were the plastic handle versions)


They are supposed to be primitive!


But the Mercator, the Okapi, the Douk-Douk and the Opinels are all sturdy designs.

Primitive, yes, but made in modern factories. The Klaas, Herder, and Windmill knives, I heard, are great.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2017, 09:18:22 PM »
Herder made Sodbuster too! Indeed, it's not an American design it seems.


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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2017, 09:29:30 PM »
My other Sodbuster has a Homeco tang stamp. It's a labeled Herder probably, for Homeij, a Dutch knife importer and wholesale.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2017, 09:31:50 PM »
I also have a few Sodbusters by Böker with plastic handles and back lock. But it's too dark for pics now.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2017, 09:34:00 PM »
Quite a lot of cutlery companies named Herder over the years... The name literally means "[steel] hardener", just like a lot of blacksmiths were named Smith. ;)

I have (or have had) knives from both Klaas, Otter, and Windmühlenmesser. As with the other old Solingen companies I would recommend inspecting the knife before buying. I ended up giving away my Windmühlenmesser Sodbuster as the blade play was too annoying. Klaas is the one I've had least problems with. (Though the knives in question are hardly a statistically significant sample, just my personal experience.)
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2017, 10:21:49 PM »
I always thought the Barlow design originated in Sheffield but later became heavily adopted in the US?

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2017, 10:23:07 PM »
Few knives are sold here, most are the big firms', Victorinox, Opinel, Buck, Gerber etc. I have to buy from abroad. But I can start from an Old Bear I saw downtown. I don't know if they have other Antoninis.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2017, 10:30:11 PM »
I always thought the Barlow design originated in Sheffield but later became heavily adopted in the US?


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According to Laurence A. Johnson (1) the Barlow knife was probably first manufactured by Obadiah Barlow at Sheffield, England, around 1670. (2)  Obadiah’s grandson, John Barlow, joined the business around 1745 and it was he who was chiefly responsible for developing the exportation of the Barlow knives to America. Another source says the barlow knife was also made by Luke Furnace of Stannington, which in the eighteenth century was a small village on the outskirts of Sheffield. Luke Furnace’s name occurs in the Sheffield directories from 1774 and 1787, but not in the 1797 directory, so he was presumably dead by then. He put the mark “1760” on his knives. The original Barlow, after whom the knives are named, was working in Sheffield at the same time as Luke Furnace.An 1823 directory of Sheffield, England cutlers (knife makers) shows Samuel Barlow on Neepsend (Street). In the Sheffield suburb of Stannington, Barlow Bros. is listed as a cutler.


http://barlow-knives.com/history.htm
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 10:32:07 PM by kkokkolis »

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2017, 11:01:05 PM »
 :salute:


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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2017, 07:20:41 PM »
I also have a few Sodbusters by Böker with plastic handles and back lock. But it's too dark for pics now.

Here they are with a Böker LE trapper.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 07:46:19 PM by Ronald Schröder »
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2017, 09:40:23 PM »
I really like the Sodbuster's blade shape.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2017, 10:02:35 PM »
I like the blade shape very much.

I tend to think of droppoints as European and of clippoints as American.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2017, 03:32:39 PM »
I really like the Sodbuster's blade shape.

I really don't actually. At least not the Case version. There is zero point for piercing, be it bread or plastic wrapping.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2017, 08:33:30 PM »
I work with my list of penny/peasant/regional knives. It is much more complicated than I expected. I am close to 100, mostly counting Mediterranean designs (from Iberia, Francia and Italia). I expect that similar numbers would apply to Germanic designs, and I only search for folders, not fixed blades.
After this, I appreciated more the success of Opinel and Victoria knives, to establish their designs over so many candidates.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2017, 10:54:53 PM »
this interesting recent thread at BF is worth a read, kkokkolis    :salute:

http://www.bladeforums.co...s/italian-knives.1510294/

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2017, 12:19:45 AM »
The barrel knife is a supposedly Swedish style of folder and since they are also called "emigrants knives" they must have been among the cheaper alternatives. A bit of an oddball since it takes a bit of extra work to fold/unfold them and they have died out of large scale production.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2017, 11:34:47 AM »
The Manly Comrade (I like the Soviet oriented pun) looks like a Sodbuster with modern materials. That's another nice EDC knife which isn't tactical and has a traditional heritage behind it.


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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2017, 12:29:06 PM »
My list is considerably complete for Italian and French traditional pocket knives. Perhaps Spanish and Portuguese too.
But since I don't know German, it isn't so for possible German, Austrian, Swiss, Dutch and Skandinavian designs, except the obvious ones.
The same goes for Slavic and UroAltaic designs.


So, I am posting a TAB delimited txt here (the original is xlsx and can't be uploaded). I am also posting 3 print screens of the file. If you kind persons know of another TRADITIONAL FOLDING design, used by ordinary people (gentlemen's knives, tacticals and customs excluded) around the world, please inform!


Fellow OCD people welcomed.


Thanks.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2017, 12:38:23 PM by kkokkolis »

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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2017, 12:39:22 PM »
The print screens.


We might build something big here, with pics and all, for reference.
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Re: Folding Knives for EDC
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2017, 01:09:57 PM »
The traditional folders in Norway are very obscure. I only know of one, and most Norwegians would not recognize that as a Norwegian knife. (They are not produced and only exists as historical knives. https://kniver.blogspot.no/search/label/Junger They were used at mealtime.)

The new Helle folders are not traditional in any meaning of the word.

In other words, you have all the entries you need for Norway already. :D

 

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