On a traditional knife I would be happy with 154CM, it's an excellent steel for those knives. It's just almost impossible to find 154CM in a traditional.
I like 1095 just like the next knife person. I have a few wonderful 1095 knives that are quite a joy to use. Heat treat aside, is anyone else thinking some prices are just not reasonable, $150 upwards .
Quote from: Aloha on February 08, 2019, 04:01:21 PMI like 1095 just like the next knife person. I have a few wonderful 1095 knives that are quite a joy to use. Heat treat aside, is anyone else thinking some prices are just not reasonable, $150 upwards . Lame to quote myself I know . I should have been more specific but I was hoping to create some discussion to see where the knife people in this community land. I purposefully left heat treat out because each maker will deal with that in a personal way. Some treat softer while others go all out. We know that geometry is important as well. The purpose of the knife and other factors. I wasn't looking at was pitting 1095 against another steel. I was vague unfortunately, but my post was that I was not willing to pay up for 1095 ( price is very relative I know ). I do feel price however it affects ones personal buying potential/threshold is part of the consideration when talking 1095. We all have a threshold when considering any purchase. Whether a maker gets the most of of their steel is a great conversation. What I can say is that my knives in 1095 are wonderful as mentioned in my opening post. Can't say enough good about the steel. I dont know if the maker got all they could from it . What I do know is my Ontario Knife Co DPx HEST is a really think blade. I re beveled it from a very wide edge ( 30 degree per side? ) to just about 22 degrees per side. Its hair shaving sharp and only needs a strop to bring the edge back. I use it to cut air hose, hard plastic, bags of mulch, I scraped my garage floor of some adhesive, and a variety of other things. I've seen some conversations about testing done on certain channels. I don't get to involved on either side. The example you gave "Many GEC's would be a great example of paying a premium for a tiny piece of 1095........"is a good example for me personally for a knife with 1095 I would not pay up for. I was looking at the Moose and even at 100 bucks felt it was too much. Call me cheap . I'd pay up for D2 tho in that Moose
How does he not cut himself the way he opens knives
Quote from: SteveC on February 13, 2019, 10:48:56 PMHow does he not cut himself the way he opens knives He must have some thick skin on his thumb!Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk
I'd pay up for D2 tho in that Moose
I don't think with GEC, 1095 is the premium you are paying for.When I was looking at GEC and Maserin Sod busters recently. The GEC 1095, with micarta handles was $66.50 and the Maserin D2 with Micarta handles was $51.32.GEC and traditionals in general require a lot of hand fitting, There is a lot of hand fitting required on a pinned knife, add to that GEC is using a lot of the same equipment that was in use 70 years ago.Maserin relies much more on precision parts that can be screwed together and shipped.I think with GEC you are paying for the hand fit tradition of a pocket knife.
I've seen some "testing" with D2 that came up poor. It was suggested the heat treat was the issue. I've also seen it perform very well as compared to 1095. As mentioned a few times in this thread heat treat is super important. I dont worry too much about issued related to carbon steels. Patina is fine and well I tend to take pretty good care of things that have any potential for "issues".
So you should try a D2 knife if you get the chance!
Aw man. No on the D2? I have no experience with it. I have seen some pretty good videos on the Rat in D2.
I'm a big fan of D2. With the right heat treat, it is a very nice steel. It takes a great edge and has very good edge retention. Knife Maker Bob Dozier popularized D2 here in the states in his fixed blade knives: hunter's really valued the edge holding ability when dressing out large game. Some people complain that it is hard to sharpen, but I haven't found that to be the case. Another complaint is that it can stain and rust. Again, I haven't found that to be a big issue. One thing I have seen with D2 is chipping. This might be a heat treat issue. I also understand that CPM-D2 has finer carbides and is less prone to chipping. D2 isn't a great choice for a hard -use survival knife, as far as I'm concerned.Of course, if you are out hunting and have your D2 hunting knife with you......I guess it might become your survival knife. I've got a Spyderco Paramilitary in D2. Lovely knife, and no issues chipping, even with that fine tip.