Quote from: Dean51 on February 11, 2019, 04:12:59 PMThere's the guy that can't seem to stay sober thru a 20 min. video.I suspect we're talking about this guy. Personally, as a part-time knife maker, I really appreciate his contribution to the knowledge base. Though it doesn't bother me, but I do wish he could get out his message without getting a bug up the smurf of people like you.The point I'm trying to make is you need to differentiate between custom and production knives. Steve has joked that Spyderco will send a hitman after him, and as a sprintrun owner I'm not exactly happy to find out they're not getting the most all the steel they use.Knowing that 12C27 with a good heat treat can play with the big boys makes me so happy, because I just finished two knives and I have a whole sheet of 14C28n left, and a digital kiln to get the most out of it.So, is 3V a potentially better steel than 1095?Yes.Are you sure that 3V you are paying a premium for is heat treated to maximize it's capabilities?If not, you could do just as well, or better with 1095.Go check how cheap knife steel is, it's all about labour, material costs come into the picture once you start using Damasteel, even here in deepest darkest africa I can get M390 for the same price as 14C28n, which is about double the price of same size stock D2 or N690
There's the guy that can't seem to stay sober thru a 20 min. video.
I saw a AUS-8 vs D2 test and according to the tester D2's edge retention wasn't much better than AUS-8. That made me question his results, so I did my own test. I used two Rat 2's one D2 and one AUS-8. Both sharpened on a KME with at 17° and a 20° micro bevel. I taped the blade and only used 1.5” of the blade. Straight push cuts thru new cardboard onto a mouse pad to insure no extra blade damage.The AUS-8 would no longer cleanly cut paper at 120 feet. The D2 went 220 Feet before it would no longer cleanly cut paper. That's almost double and showed me the testers method was severely flawed.
Quote from: Dean51 on February 12, 2019, 04:22:51 PMI saw a AUS-8 vs D2 test and according to the tester D2's edge retention wasn't much better than AUS-8. That made me question his results, so I did my own test. I used two Rat 2's one D2 and one AUS-8. Both sharpened on a KME with at 17° and a 20° micro bevel. I taped the blade and only used 1.5” of the blade. Straight push cuts thru new cardboard onto a mouse pad to insure no extra blade damage.The AUS-8 would no longer cleanly cut paper at 120 feet. The D2 went 220 Feet before it would no longer cleanly cut paper. That's almost double and showed me the testers method was severely flawed.My own experience leads me to agree with your conclusions, Dean. However, your testing doesn't really take into account how the Rat's were heat-treated either. Perhaps ESEE did a better job with the D2 heat-treat, than they did with with AUS-8? One can start chasing his or her own tail with these sorts of things. I've found that some steels, especially well established steels like 1095 and 154CM, work well for many manufacturers. In general I've had good luck with S3V blades, too. I think it pays to stick with good makers who take their heat treats seriously. I can understand a maker not wanting to reveal his or her heat treat process, especially if that maker feels they have optimized the treatment for a particular knife & steel. Fehrman used to do some amazing things with S3V. We are lucky that in this day and age, a maker's reputation and ability becomes well known, fairly quickly. LT Wright has a great reputation for a well made knife. I wouldn't hesitate to pick up an S3V knife from him. Although, I find 154CM to be such a great all-around steel, I think that would be an excellent choice, too.
Heat treat can not make AUS8 perform way out of it's class. It will never be the equal to D2 or S90V. for that to happen the heat treat would have to be worse than bad.
Quote from: Dean51 on February 12, 2019, 05:41:50 PMHeat treat can not make AUS8 perform way out of it's class. It will never be the equal to D2 or S90V. for that to happen the heat treat would have to be worse than bad. As an aside, I recently got my first knife in S90V, a Spydie Manix 2. So far I like it, but I haven't used it much. I'll be interest to see how it is to sharpen....once it needs it. I like sharpening. One of the reasons I don't get hung up on a particular steel (aside from a bit of a steel-crush on 154CM... ) is that I enjoy the sharpening process and keeping a knife sharp. 1095 (with a good heat treat, yes) sharpens easily and well. It takes a great edge. And that makes it fun to work with and use. Conversely, steels like Maxamet seem almost ridiculous to work with. Which steel would I rather own/use? Probably a nice 1095 blade. It's something I know I can keep razor sharp. I don't go cutting tough materials for hours on end. I don't need a knife that can whittle a tree into a toothpick. I'll be home sharpening before that happens. So a tough steel that takes a great edge, but doesn't have the ultimate wear-resistance, is actually more of a 'premium steel' for me. I'm sure that one day a Maxamet blade will find it's way into my pocket, but if all I ever use from now until the big sleep is a 1095 knife, I think I'd still be a happy man.
On a traditional knife I would be happy with 154CM, it's an excellent steel for those knives. It's just almost impossible to find 154CM in a traditional.
I like 1095 just like the next knife person. I have a few wonderful 1095 knives that are quite a joy to use. Heat treat aside, is anyone else thinking some prices are just not reasonable, $150 upwards .
Quote from: Aloha on February 08, 2019, 04:01:21 PMI like 1095 just like the next knife person. I have a few wonderful 1095 knives that are quite a joy to use. Heat treat aside, is anyone else thinking some prices are just not reasonable, $150 upwards . Lame to quote myself I know . I should have been more specific but I was hoping to create some discussion to see where the knife people in this community land. I purposefully left heat treat out because each maker will deal with that in a personal way. Some treat softer while others go all out. We know that geometry is important as well. The purpose of the knife and other factors. I wasn't looking at was pitting 1095 against another steel. I was vague unfortunately, but my post was that I was not willing to pay up for 1095 ( price is very relative I know ). I do feel price however it affects ones personal buying potential/threshold is part of the consideration when talking 1095. We all have a threshold when considering any purchase. Whether a maker gets the most of of their steel is a great conversation. What I can say is that my knives in 1095 are wonderful as mentioned in my opening post. Can't say enough good about the steel. I dont know if the maker got all they could from it . What I do know is my Ontario Knife Co DPx HEST is a really think blade. I re beveled it from a very wide edge ( 30 degree per side? ) to just about 22 degrees per side. Its hair shaving sharp and only needs a strop to bring the edge back. I use it to cut air hose, hard plastic, bags of mulch, I scraped my garage floor of some adhesive, and a variety of other things. I've seen some conversations about testing done on certain channels. I don't get to involved on either side. The example you gave "Many GEC's would be a great example of paying a premium for a tiny piece of 1095........"is a good example for me personally for a knife with 1095 I would not pay up for. I was looking at the Moose and even at 100 bucks felt it was too much. Call me cheap . I'd pay up for D2 tho in that Moose
How does he not cut himself the way he opens knives
Quote from: SteveC on February 13, 2019, 10:48:56 PMHow does he not cut himself the way he opens knives He must have some thick skin on his thumb!Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk
I'd pay up for D2 tho in that Moose
I don't think with GEC, 1095 is the premium you are paying for.When I was looking at GEC and Maserin Sod busters recently. The GEC 1095, with micarta handles was $66.50 and the Maserin D2 with Micarta handles was $51.32.GEC and traditionals in general require a lot of hand fitting, There is a lot of hand fitting required on a pinned knife, add to that GEC is using a lot of the same equipment that was in use 70 years ago.Maserin relies much more on precision parts that can be screwed together and shipped.I think with GEC you are paying for the hand fit tradition of a pocket knife.