Leatherman Free P2/P4 Club and Feedback Thread

[gerleatherberman]

I have made bit adapters to fit my Wingman, Vic combo tool and straight screwdriver. They are easy and cheap to make. I am getting my P-2 tomorrow. I will check it out and see if they will work on it.

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Thanks for posting about this, Mike!

 

[ReamerPunch]

Bear and Son had an adapter for their rectangle shank Phillips.
So did the Harley Davidson BuckTool.

One of them might actually fit the Free Phillips, but they're impossible to find.
And they might not fit anyway.

[balvenie]

When the tool came out I thought "WOW" I want it! I waited for I while also because here in Italy it was not available and still it is..... Then I started to read the first comments and aside the fidget factor, the tool is pretty standard! I mean is absolutely awesome in its class but I can make the same thing with all other multis...... It has not interchangeable bit, that flat phillips not so nice compared with that one on super tool..... So now I wait a bit (probably more than a year.) to see reasonable price, than I will take my decision. For now the winner could be the charge for sure

[gerleatherberman]

 
The party trick of the Free P2/P4 is fidget factor. Yes, the all OHO/no fingernail needed things are awesome, but it just doesn't punch at the Charge's level. 

[Raoul Octav]

More feedback from my side.
Due to my personal objective to present LMN tool in my native language on YT i ordered a P2...aaaand a P4 came instead.
And it was real usefull to compare with my "modded" with spacers P4
OEM tool is moor loose, especially o the pliers. The oil they use is much better than what i use, so implements open a little easier, altough my zytel spacers make the opening more refined .
The handles have play, side play, out of the box, and everything inside moves along the scales. I wished they did not...at one point in the reassembling process i taught i f***cked something.
My modded one, when opening the main tools, they do not get so close to the pliers, i believe it is the bigger surface of the spacers...or maybe i just want to believe my ideea with larger surface spacers and thcker bolts.
 Except the scissor, the scissor behaves the same, altough not so close tot the pliers when resting, yet it is new, and so was the modded one.
Proof of that 0.1mm space/tolerance on the pliers needed for smooth opening and closing.
I taught it was poor manufacturing , and this lead to my pliers not closing easy.
On the packaging it says one hand opening, true, yet with some exercise and not so smooth as the Wave &co, AAAAAND with the tools touching the pliers head

[Wpgwave]

Got my replacement P2 yesterday.

I don't know if I am just hypersensitive now, but there seems to be a lot of play between the handle and plier head while opened.
Lots of wiggle to the sides.

I assume that's normal due to the interlocking pins that line when closed.
 

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[gerleatherberman]

It is normal for the P series, but tightening the pliers mount screw bolts a bit gets rid of a lot of it. Though, as a consequence, it doesn't flip around quite as freely. I find it perfectly usable when tightened up a bit though. 

[Raoul Octav]

Allright then... Got myself a P2... More suited for my needs... Yet... I have some points to stress:
On the pliers side, one side has too much space. I need to tighten it. For the price, i wished LMN did that (hear me LMN? Do you hear our feedback)
Pocket clip aint that cool after all, way to high. I'm gonna loose it, aint my style after all.
I like the slimness and the fact that one side of the scales are... Curved somehow 3D( not flat) , would have been nice to be on both sides.
Wayyy wayyy to gressive with the serrations on the blade.
Other than that... I like it more than the P4.
P4 is thicker, flatter and has a saw and a serrated blade as extra. If it had a saw and file, than P4 would have ruled them all.

[gerleatherberman]

Congrats, Raoul!

Man, that is a boneheaded mistake from the assembler team with the screw not tightened down at all.

Out of curiousity, is your P2 dated?

[Raoul Octav]

No date code.

[Happy Gilmore]

Know what bothers me the most? I want the P4 but can't believe that they chose to put a lanyard ring on the heavier tool...how does that make any sense? Shouldn't the p2 have the lanyard or each of them have both?

[Raoul Octav]

Now, that i used them both it makes sense.
Either way, new batch has pocket clip.
Pocket clip is quite big, high, stand out and affects the ergonomy. It does the trick while the tool is in the pants, yet it is too big.
P4 is quite thick, with the pocket clip it would have been too thick in that particular area.

[Top-Gear-24]

Know what bothers me the most? I want the P4 but can't believe that they chose to put a lanyard ring on the heavier tool...how does that make any sense? Shouldn't the p2 have the lanyard or each of them have both?

I thought Leatherman changed this, I believe they sell the P4 with the pocket clip now on their site.

And if you get one with the lanyard ring, you can contact them and they'll send you a pocket clip (not to all countries apparently, but I guess being in the U.S. you shouldn't have any problems).  I'm still waiting for mine ...

[Happy Gilmore]

I thought Leatherman changed this, I believe they sell the P4 with the pocket clip now on their site.

And if you get one with the lanyard ring, you can contact them and they'll send you a pocket clip (not to all countries apparently, but I guess being in the U.S. you shouldn't have any problems).  I'm still waiting for mine ...

Brilliant, gj Leatherman. 

[SurgeUk]

Hi All,

I kind of follow this topic since the tool is out and agree but also disagree with some comments. Anyway I could not hold myself back longer and managed to put my itching hand on a P4. 
First impression is as others said it’s a good tool. But definitely didn’t worth the asking price, not in the UK anyway.
I’m missing the changeable bits, the file looks short but quite aggressive even feeling it with my hand. The most useless tool on it the ruler. My model has a bit of a stiff pliers jaws pivot. Not sure if that’s the same with others I hope it would brake in soon. Time would tell how can this serve as an edc I guess.

Good evening to you all (at least those in the UK/Europe) and good morning/afternoon to the rest of you!

I've just joined and so this is my first post (be gentle) Over the past 30 years I've had most of the classic LMT stuff, not to collect, but to use for my day job (Forces/Police and now Customs work, CBP in the states) I also own a couple for my voluntary role, SAR. However, like most here I also wanted to purchase a P4 (or maybe two) but just like others in the EU, was put off by the price. I have emailed LM customer service to ask about the disparity in price (US vs Everywhere else) and await a final response.

I will, of course, keep you updated as to their reply regarding the US vs EU (or in my case UK) pricing structure which, for those of you Stateside is $247 USD or £189.99 GBP) The most I've paid previously was for my last LMT (the original Surge) which now needs replacing and was £130 (or $164, based on todays rate)

That seems like a bargain compared to the P4 and, to make matters worse...I can't find my original PST anywhere....

Take care all and stay safe!

Darren.

[SirVicaLot]

Welcome to MTo Darren 

Let us know when you receive something. I don‘t think we will get more than marketing blabla, but will see 

[McStitchy]

Good evening, and welcome to  Darren.
Would like to hear LM's reply if you receive any 

... hour you'll find your PST 

[Wspeed]

Hi Darren and welcome to 

[45and9]

Where did you get the pocket clip, I need one yesterday 

[Poncho65]

Welcome to Darren and 45and9

[shadow78]

Peeps in the UK.

The local Leatherman support Whitby&co has the pocket clips for the P4s. The drawback is they wont send them out. They need the P4 to be returned under their warranty service as only they can replace the pocket clip  .
I decided I'm OK without the pocket clip, will buy one when become widely available...

The above is just for info if anyone interested to get a free pocket clip in the UK.

 

[Wpgwave]

I received my replacement P2, and honestly, I am still happy with the multi tool.
I gave the tool a solid going over with a dry Teflon spray and everything is like butter now. Smooth and fluid.

My only real issue(s) is the play in the handles and the loose feeling when closed. By loose, the amount of travel the pliers have inside the folded handle. You can slide the closed halves up and down quite a ways and get a clacking sound from the pliers hitting the internal stops.

I was seriously thinking about the P4 but aside from a saw, there wasn’t enough to justify the increase in size and weight.
The P2 feels a little more “elegant” and balanced to me.


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[gerleatherberman]

I received my replacement P2, and honestly, I am still happy with the multi tool.
I gave the tool a solid going over with a dry Teflon spray and everything is like butter now. Smooth and fluid.

My only real issue(s) is the play in the handles and the loose feeling when closed. By loose, the amount of travel the pliers have inside the folded handle. You can slide the closed halves up and down quite a ways and get a clacking sound from the pliers hitting the internal stops.

I was seriously thinking about the P4 but aside from a saw, there wasn’t enough to justify the increase in size and weight.
The P2 feels a little more “elegant” and balanced to me.


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Glad the replacement is working for you, Wpgwave!


I wasn't really o.k. with the looseness of the handles either, so I tightened the pliers mount screws a bit and haven't looked back. It still flips open flawlessly and feels tight.
The design calls for really loose handles, but that isn't something I'm used to or want. Easy fix.

[Syncop8r]

A comparison between the P4 and the OHT would be interesting....    The P4 might even win the file comparison. 

[gerleatherberman]

To be honest, it isn't even a contest for me. The OHT is just too big and clunky with tiny implements compared to the P4. The P4 is compact, good looking(that one is admittedly subjective), smoother, far more precise, and has better implements(except for oxygen tank wrench and strap cutter, which the P4 doesn't have, but the P4 makes up for it with a short(but very high quality) file, drivers, a tool that does kind of work as an awl, and scissors). The P4 makes the OHT look archaic and cumbersome.

The OHT is the tool LM should have lambasted to promote the P4 instead of the venerable Wave. 

Ya know, I guess I can do some comparison photos later today.

The OHT is not a bad tool, but it really isn't comparable to the P4 in most aspects. IMO of course.

[Syncop8r]

I meant a usage comparison.

I like the OHT.... 

[gerleatherberman]

The OHT is a good tool, but it has its' drawbacks. I definitely wouldn't be upset if I got stuck out somewhere needing an MT and the OHT was the only one available.
The OHT has one HUGE advantage over the P4. It can get really dirty and be used around metal filings and not need maintenance for months. The P4 suffers the same issue as SwissTools, as dirt gets in the pivots, the action gets exponentially stiffer and needs serious maintenance to work right again. The P4 can be disassembled though, so it has that going for it over riveted construction.

[gerleatherberman]

Alright, Syncop8r, here they are. I hope this helps put the two tools in perspective. There doesn't seem to be any real comparisons out there of the two. I've only had about a month of real work use out of each tool(the OHT I used was the two-tone used in the challenge), so it isn't extended or anything. But, that said, I have a tough-on-tools job and the environment  gets dirty quite often and tools get dropped sometimes. The OHT smaller flat drivers are definitely thicker than those on the P4. The OHT pliers also seem more suited to hard pliers tasks. Same cutters on both tools.
I'll shut up now and get to the copious photos.

[Syncop8r]

Thanks!    The size difference is the most obvious thing. The only tool I find to be too short on the OHT is the saw, short drivers etc I can cope with. I'm surprised the P4's saw is nearly as short.

I felt a comparison would be interesting since they are both all outside/one-handed opening multitools.

[gerleatherberman]

Thanks!    The size difference is the most obvious thing. The only tool I find to be too short on the OHT is the saw, short drivers etc I can cope with. I'm surprised the P4's saw is nearly as short.

I felt a comparison would be interesting since they are both all outside/one-handed opening multitools.