UK Legal Carry Thread!

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #150 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:22:08 PM

Curtesy of Neil, a more easily followed law FAQ has been added to the first post

Benner · **Reply #151 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:23:34 PM

Nice one.

Neil · **Reply #152 on:** January 25, 2009, 04:55:16 PM

Courtesy of the Police National Legal Database actually

Here's the link in case anything gets changed. https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q337.htm

Neil

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #153 on:** January 25, 2009, 06:21:58 PM

Quote from: Flash on January 25, 2009, 10:35:24 AM

Yeah...a slipjoint is classed as a folding knife ie there is no mechanical lock in place.

You can carry a locking knife as long as you have reasonable excuse eg a carpenter going to work or a bushcrafter in the middle of deep woodland.

However, depending on the Officers discretion you may still need to argue your "reasonableness" during a tape recorded interview

Ok, but where is a locking blade defined at in the books? If it's not actually in the books, then it isn't the law, it's an interpretation, which is open to discussion in court. Which means that unless someone is doing something they shouldn't, then they likely can't be convicted.

Not that I am suggesting anyone goes out and purposely gets themselves arrested mind you. It just seems that so far there hasn't been any real fact presented- just interpretations of the law, and possibly the presentation of urban legends as fact.

If I had gotten in trouble for having a knife, my entire defense would be based on the fact that any knife that folds is a "folding knife" regardless of whether it locks or not. And, unless the law stipulates that locking blades are indeed considered the same as fixed blades, I'm confident I would walk away, provided I wasn't using it for some unlawful purpose.

Def

Gareth · **Reply #154 on:** January 25, 2009, 08:46:16 PM

It's a piece of Case law set in court rather than by Government. The case was called Harris v DPP (I did have to look that up). An over-enthusiastic CPS prosecutor convinced a judge that any locking blade was effectively a fixed blade, hence illegal to carry. It technically could be overturned by a higher court but I can't see that ever happening.

Neil · **Reply #155 on:** January 25, 2009, 09:45:44 PM

Quote from: Gareth UK on January 25, 2009, 08:46:16 PM

It's a piece of Case law set in court rather than by Government. The case was called Harris v DPP (I did have to look that up). An over-enthusiastic CPS prosecutor convinced a judge that any locking blade was effectively a fixed blade, hence illegal to carry. It technically could be overturned by a higher court but I can't see that ever happening.

Last I heard it had done the run up the court ladder and been upheld. I can see why Def would wonder what the fuss is with locks after reading the quoted common law at the start of the thread. Law is always a messy business and I'm wondering if it might be an idea to just have relevant links on the first post rather than quoting chunks of law that makes my head hurt

Then again I'm easily confused

Neil

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #156 on:** January 25, 2009, 10:41:30 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. Another case of a higher priced lawyer setting precedent which is considered law.

Def

Neil · **Reply #157 on:** February 02, 2009, 02:38:13 PM

You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list

Neil

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #158 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:03:17 PM

Quote from: NKB on February 02, 2009, 02:38:13 PM

You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list

Neil

On it

Benner · **Reply #159 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:42:15 PM

Had forgotten about that one.

Whoey · **Reply #160 on:** February 04, 2009, 12:35:57 PM

Spirits are not allowed because of the lock I suppose?

Roadie · **Reply #161 on:** February 04, 2009, 12:38:15 PM

Quote from: Whoey on February 04, 2009, 12:35:57 PM

Spirits are not allowed because of the lock I suppose?

Nope

Neil · **Reply #162 on:** February 04, 2009, 12:49:16 PM

Quote from: Micky d on February 02, 2009, 03:03:17 PM

Quote from: NKB on February 02, 2009, 02:38:13 PM
You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list

Neil
On it

Update: According to Dennis there are actually two versions of both the Bear Jaws and the Super Bear Jaws, locking and not. So we can add both versions just so long as its the none locking ones.

Neil

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #163 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:14:36 PM

Benneths turn I think

Whoey · **Reply #164 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:23:18 PM

Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #165 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:49:13 PM

Quote from: Whoey on February 04, 2009, 02:23:18 PM

Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there

I can list another 1001 if you ever get tempted

Dunc · **Reply #166 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:29:22 PM

Quote from: Whoey on February 04, 2009, 02:23:18 PM

Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there

Its not illegal to own one , just illegal to carry one without good reason .

Dunc

Gadget Guy · **Reply #167 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:39:33 PM

Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!

Benner · **Reply #168 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:41:06 PM

Quote from: Gadget Guy on February 04, 2009, 07:39:33 PM

Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!

I believe Dunc, Neil and Flash all have them. They are real nice.

Dunc · **Reply #169 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:42:00 PM

Quote from: Gadget Guy on February 04, 2009, 07:39:33 PM

Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!

Yes I do , and I use it alot . Its a very handy and useful knife

dunc

Gadget Guy · **Reply #170 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:49:57 PM

Quote from: dunc5 on February 04, 2009, 07:42:00 PM

Quote from: Gadget Guy on February 04, 2009, 07:39:33 PM
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!

Yes I do , and I use it alot . Its a very handy and useful knife

dunc

Now I want one!

I already have a T-Mag, but that magnet sticks to everything!

Flash · **Reply #171 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:55:12 PM

The UKPK is for me the best dedicated UK Legal knife. Its razor sharp, one handed opening and if you use the wire pocket clip virtually invisible to most people.

A quality piece of kit.

For the bargain basement type I would highly recommend the CKRT Edgie...again quite sharp, one handed opening and the pocket clip is OK (ish).

Gadget Guy · **Reply #172 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:01:05 PM

Bobbomatic did a great review of the UKPK:

Neil · **Reply #173 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:20:37 PM

Yep, the UKPK is a great knife, it took much abuse in the couple of years it was my edc. These days I find I get far too adverse a reaction when I use it out and about so it only occasionally comes out to play

Neil

Benner · **Reply #174 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:21:58 PM

I still think the Spyderco Pride is the most Sheeple friendly OH folder available.

Even my Nan wasn't scared of it.

Neil · **Reply #175 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:27:01 PM

Quote from: Benner on February 04, 2009, 08:21:58 PM

I still think the Spyderco Pride is the most Sheeple friendly OH folder available. Even my Nan wasn't scared of it.

Did you sell your pride?

Neil

Benner · **Reply #176 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:28:50 PM

Nope, still have it.

I am working on polishing the scales to get rid of that whitish finish.

Neil · **Reply #177 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:37:43 PM

That sounds tricky.

I'd just sell it to raise cash for an Urban.

I do just happen to know someone interested in getting one

Neil

Benner · **Reply #178 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:40:12 PM

Quote from: NKB on February 04, 2009, 08:37:43 PM

That sounds tricky. I'd just sell it to raise cash for an Urban.

I do just happen to know someone interested in getting one (Image removed from quote.)

Neil

I have removed all the finish, I just need to polish it up now. So far so good.

Does that person also realise that this was a gift to me from Mike and that I don't part with gifts?

I have seen them on ebay

Neil · **Reply #179 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:41:55 PM

Said individual has been updated of the full facts

A hunting he shall go

Neil

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