Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities

[pomsbz]

If anything is to be done, change the plastic. Cellidor might be plant-based, being a form of cellulose acetate plastic, but it sucks. It is not very impact resistant. Cutting it out in favor of nylon would be so much better. Or even G-10, even if it would raise the cost. I noticed Bear and Son, on their Farmhand (Sodbuster) model, has changed from Delrin to G-10 while maintaining the same cost.

 

[Zanza]

Smurf it. Got one more:

58mm Plus Scales

Essentially, add the T&T over the pen module. Injection moulding it would be a bit tricky, but I think they could ride over the rivets and mounting bushings.

A Minichamp Plus would be getting a little fat...but I don’t think most would mind it.

EDIT:
even the existing 91mm tools would fit this way. And the regular or short/electronic scale tweezers would work like this:

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I didn't wait on Victorinox to add Tweezer or Toothpick to my Midnite MiniChamp ;-)

[MacGyver]

If anything is to be done, change the plastic. Cellidor might be plant-based, being a form of cellulose acetate plastic, but it sucks. It is not very impact resistant. Cutting it out in favor of nylon would be so much better. Or even G-10, even if it would raise the cost. I noticed Bear and Son, on their Farmhand (Sodbuster) model, has changed from Delrin to G-10 while maintaining the same cost.

I think the main problem with the cellidor scales is that stupid decision they made years ago to hollow them out 

The solid ones where a lot more resistant to impact, not to mention it gave a much better feel to the SAK. If it where more resistant to chemicals it would't be so bad. If they where to bring out a better (solid) material that has the same look and feel of the cellidor than i'll be all for it. 

The nylon ones, while more resistant, are not an improvement in feel and look IMO

[pomsbz]

I think the main problem with the cellidor scales is that stupid decision they made years ago to hollow them out 

The solid ones where a lot more resistant to impact, not to mention it gave a much better feel to the SAK. If it where more resistant to chemicals it would't be so bad. If they where to bring out a better (solid) material that has the same look and feel of the cellidor than i'll be all for it. 

The nylon ones, while more resistant, are not an improvement in feel and look IMO

Going to disagree, the nylon are far more grippy, especially when wet. They're less 'plasticky' also.

[cody6268]

I think the main problem with the cellidor scales is that stupid decision they made years ago to hollow them out 

The solid ones where a lot more resistant to impact, not to mention it gave a much better feel to the SAK. If it where more resistant to chemicals it would't be so bad. If they where to bring out a better (solid) material that has the same look and feel of the cellidor than i'll be all for it. 

The nylon ones, while more resistant, are not an improvement in feel and look IMO

My biggest pet peeve other than breakage is their resistance to chemicals, particularly diesel fuel. I will put fuel in the tractor/UTV, then go to do something else, pull my knife out, and just residue on my hands will etch the scales.

[ElevenBlade]

My biggest pet peeve other than breakage is their resistance to chemicals, particularly diesel fuel. I will put fuel in the tractor/UTV, then go to do something else, pull my knife out, and just residue on my hands will etch the scales.

Isopropyl alcohol... found in hand sanitizer... will do that too.   

[kamakiri]

The problem is that outside of 111mm, not a whole lot of models have it, when it needs to be standard. You've got what, 4-5 in the Ecoline/Economy/II series, and the Stayglo Classic SD, Huntsman, and Climber (I think the Huntsman's discontinued), and the Bantam, Recruit, and Sportsman in 84mm.   And then, isn't the 100mm line nylon handled?

I agree they should be available for any current model, but I would not want them to be standard. I also doubt that most would want them that way. I’d pretty much never buy a new knife again. But I understand that cellidor is pretty useless for people who handle solvents. I do think Victorinox should serve this crowd better.

[kamakiri]

I would buy a blue nylon modern/updated Fisherman/Angler/Other.

[MacGyver]

Going to disagree, the nylon are far more grippy, especially when wet. They're less 'plasticky' also.

I agree with you in that, but what i meant by "feel" i meant "tactile" feel, not "function" feel. In that regard i like the cellidor much better.

[MacGyver]

Isopropyl alcohol... found in hand sanitizer... will do that too.   

Oh yes.... that was the first reason i changed to carrying alox (P or PX) exclusively when ever i go out, after Covid. Apart from the alox superior build and sturdiness, i can just soak the knife in alcohol to disinfect it, and not worry about messing the scales up for a second...

[Andetto]

That..... plus crane to carry it... 

  I believe they already have that covered for the 228 g Work Champ. 

[Steelej1976]

Tinker Slim: One layer 84mm SAK with knife, combo tool, rear Phillips

[MacGyver]

Tinker Slim: One layer 84mm SAK with knife, combo tool, rear Phillips

You mean the Apprentice?

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Apprentice+Victorinox

[Steelej1976]

You mean the Apprentice?

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Apprentice+Victorinox

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Wow cool!  I never knew that existed.  Well they need to bring that back.

[Thunderpants]

The most realistic possibility is that Victorinox will continue to churn out the same bunch of boring old SAKs. Every once in a while someone without an artistic bone in their body will be plunked in front of a laptop and given 1/2 hour to come up with a new design for some scales. "Yeah, here's some clipart animals, trees, snowflakes n stuff - just resize them and jiggle them around a bit, then you can get back to sweeping the floor."

[FanaticExplorer]

Interested to see what you guys would like or expect from Victorinox going forward, and I guess we'll sit back and watch how this decade plays out! 

Honestly considering how this year is going, I fully expect them to include some kind of sanitizer (like the lighter they had) on one of the larger SAKs.
They will also most probably release some special limited celidor scale version with something related to COVID 19

[SurgeUk]

Honestly considering how this year is going, I fully expect them to include some kind of sanitizer (like the lighter they had) on one of the larger SAKs.
They will also most probably release some special limited celidor scale version with something related to COVID 19

[EMZ]

Personally, I feel Victorinox should make a lot of bladeless variations. Not only would that be great for travel, it would also reduce the redundancy when carrying a folder.

Don't count on it. My bladeless Seber M2 Tool was confiscated by Ukranian airport security. 

[gregpost]

Swisstool pliers based multi-tool with one hand opening for the American market where it would be a huge seller.

[Thunderpants]

I'd love a one-hand opening Swisstool - I think we all would! Tricky to see how it could be done on the Spirit - other than adding a bump on the blade, or scooping out the handle which would weaken it. I think they'd need a completely new design. I'd definitely buy one but I wouldn't be too confident about it ever happening.

[kamakiri]

So somewhere in here I asked for more PS use...

And then there were two new PS models and the Spartan reissued with black T&T...

Then...a bunch of my post disappeared.

Conspiracy?

Better go get my hat.

[Storm]

So somewhere in here I asked for more PS use...

And then there were two new PS models and the Spartan reissued with black T&T...

Then...a bunch of my post disappeared.

Conspiracy?

Better go get my hat.

So what you're saying is that if we make an offering of posts to Victorinox, we get what we asked  for? 

This arrangement is agreeable to me 

[SurgeUk]

Don't count on it. My bladeless Seber M2 Tool was confiscated by Ukranian airport security. 

Bummer   

I recently flew from Heathrow to Milan (and back) I was carrying a True-Utility Fishface and the Missus was carry a SAK Classic. Both sailed (or flew through) with no issues 

I will try it again next time I travel just to make sure it wasn't a fluke 

[kamakiri]

So what you're saying is that if we make an offering of posts to Victorinox, we get what we asked  for? 

This arrangement is agreeable to me 

 

The Vic Gods have spoken.

I’d give up even more posts if they’ll make me a Champ PS/Onyx version.

 

[ulzhan]

What about the Victorinox Apocalypse. Four layers. The last knife you would ever need.

[ElevenBlade]

What about the Victorinox Apocalypse. Four layers. The last knife you would ever need.

What are the layers? 

[Jothra]

What are the layers? 

Enriched plutonium?

[SgtTowser]

I believe Vic is underutilizing the Wenger tooling it acquired..

I have no doubt that Vic could sell out every left handed model they produce and make lefties so happy that they would attract many more buyers to the Vic brand. We are ten percent of the population, and at the size of the market Vic deals in adding ten percent with predicting tooling should at least allow a CEO to justify giving himself some stock options to sell back to the company the next time the Fed and BIs schedule a dump.

I am a lefty and I  REALLY had no idea how much I would appreciate my Left Handed Wenger Tourist I bought  Never thought just changing nail nicks would not do so much. It is the complete reverse engineering that optimizes the use experience. I cannot really explain it. It is amazing. I used Vics for years, because their mix of tools was preferable and the Vic saw was superior. I though how much different can a reverse engineered nail nick tool be? The difference is HUGE. Everything becomes ergonomically intuitive on the lefty model, at least for this lefty, whereas on the right handed models I am always hesitant about the location of the tool, and hesitant about where the nick is. it also opens to a more natural position of use. I don’t know why this would be.. It is really hard to explain. I guess pocket knives have evolved over a long period to be intuitive to righties and counter intuitive to lefties.

It is interesting, but I feel far less net benefit to a left handed flipper, like a Laconico Gemini, or to a Paramilitary 2, which both just have one blade and one function—cut.

By comparison, a SAK is a bit of a Rubic Cube. Lots of different finger dexterities and twisting and turning of the knife in one’s hands, compared to a single blade flipper, or Spyderco holer, where at most one does a lot perseverative fidgeting. Anyway, this reverse engineered Wenger for lefties really enhances my knife experience.

Next, Vic needs to make some models with the Wenger long blade with the bigger belly than on the standard Vic long blade. I frankly prefer the Wenger big belly blade to the Vic. Much better for any push down cutting. Not a slight difference. A significant difference. If they own both, they ought to put some of the Wenger blades in the Vic models. It might allow a more interesting blade or tool sharing that layer with the Wenger blade.

I still largely prefer the Vic as “a set of tools”, but man do I love left handed and man do I like that big bellied blade on a Wenger. Haven’t opened a can with the Wenger yet, so cannot speak to that difference..

[Marcellus]

I was going to say that my key chain Rambler and the 2 or 3 layer Vic  choice of the day suits me just fine.

BUT....

Replacing the saw on either the Camper or Hiker with the metal saw/ file would be handy.
Like the discontinued Automobile model? 
I guess the sales and marketing department at Victorinox  knows better,  huh?

[Jothra]

I don't know about the marketing department, but I'll bet the sales department has a pretty good idea, yes.