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What bladeless models would you like to see?
on: May 11, 2024, 09:34:46 AM
Well, Carl Elsener said they're thinking of starting a bladeless line of tools, seeing how sales are being impacted by knife crime. :(

What models would you like to see?

This also raises the question of What is a Knife?
Is the awl ok? The scissors? The saw? :think:

I'd like to see a bladeless urban Cybertool, no blade or openers. Driver, scissors, file, pliers. Maybe saw too?

Or an Alox three hit wonder: file, scissors, saw. But where will the awl go? In a layer on its own? :think:
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #1 on: May 11, 2024, 12:36:06 PM
I read that Victorinox is planning a baseless line.

A SAW, is a cutting tool, a very mean cutter just by itself and can inflict serious harm, more so than a blade.  So no saw blade.

The baseless model should include; a AWL w/eye,  a 3D Phillips w/cap lifter ,  Scissors,  Magnifier,, flat  screw driver and the small chisel. These awl placed in-line.

On the back side a CORK SCREW, and a HOOK.

In the scale, the Tooth pick and tweezers.  As well as a light.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #2 on: May 11, 2024, 12:46:56 PM
I'd be delighted to see a bladeless Swisschamp. :tu:

Because I find using the blades & openers on the SC so unwieldy, I've fantasized for years about having a Swisschamp split into a Spartan & a multi with everything else.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #3 on: May 11, 2024, 04:03:54 PM
I have been thinking about this. It is very easy to imagine a Swiss champ without blade layer, except the issue of the corkscrew and backside scale cutout. Vic loves the corkscrew so it seems they will need a new tool or tool pairing for an outer layer with corkscrew. Ideas for the outer corkscrew layer: scissors, a longer version of the inline phillips, new phillips and flat that sit across from one another, ??

I was thinking the other night about an alox 3 hit wonder as well, but came up with File, saw, pliers. The idea being that I would have a manager for scissors and SDs and stand alone blade along side it. If the saw is deemed too dangerous (hahaha) then file, scissors, pliers seems natural. Another option is a 4 layer with the addition of the inline phillips layer.

I think there was mention of the golf tool and a bicycle tool. For that I am envisioning something of another form than the  current Saks, and would have allens keys, spoke wrench, chain tool, adjustable wrench, SDs etc
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #4 on: May 11, 2024, 04:11:31 PM
Would it be strange if I said "just scissors" in 91mm?

Planning on taking a robotics course (as a refresher to my mechatronics--taught by the same instructor I had--though about half the distance away as the community college) as well as carpentry, and unlike the community college, the career and technical center (on a high school campus) abides by the same rules as the schools--state law is 2.5" for school campuses, but most of them are "No weapons" type places". 

If the upcoming bike tool has a bit driver, I think it could work. Currently, I'm thinking about a Raptor plus my Style PS.

Honestly, your idea of what, is, essentially, a Cybertool minus the blades will probably work.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #5 on: May 11, 2024, 05:01:40 PM
Actually, all of the gizmos on a SAK could be called 'weapons'.  Is there any reason to believe that they won't?  Best wishes.  G
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #6 on: May 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: IMR4198 on May 11, 2024, 05:01:40 PM
Actually, all of the gizmos on a SAK could be called 'weapons'.  Is there any reason to believe that they won't?  Best wishes.  G
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:iagree: Certainly here in the UK.

If we're talking about air travel I carry a Classic with me (in my rucksack) and a Swiss+Tech Utili-Key (on my keyring) and I've never had a problem, within Europe.

I work at Heathrow and I wouldn't chance anything like a full size bladeless SAK/MT  :pok: - especially as they seem to charge the same for "bladeless" stuff but then add a saw blade  :facepalm:

If we're talking about EDC (off duty) then I'll stick with UK EDC legal as anywhere that I can't take that I awlmost certainly wouldn't be able to take anything genuinely useful  :think:

So TBH, I don't think I'd every want or need one...probably  :dunno:
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #7 on: May 11, 2024, 06:02:16 PM
Maybe some sort of an Tool Update for the smaller Modells: I have now an 4 Layer in my Pocket and an Cybertool in my Backpack I take to works

Booth share Tools , so you have them twice

So how about an SAK whit Bitdriver, Pliers, Magnifier Glas and on the other side other stuff..
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #8 on: May 11, 2024, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: LoopCutter on May 11, 2024, 12:36:06 PM
I read that Victorinox is planning a baseless line.
Was the use of the bolded word intentional or an auto-correct fail?

Probably at least 95% of the time I reach for an SAK, I'm going to use its blade. So bladeless SAKs have very little to no appeal for me. That's especially true when you consider that pretty much any and every other SAK tool could be wrongly and unfairly seen as a "weapon." I can't fault Victorinox for seeing a potential market and jumping into it, though.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #9 on: May 11, 2024, 08:44:46 PM
Autocorrect.  Again!!!
I think the eye doc is correct, the cataracts are getting the better of me, but not enough to require correction ???
If I start and end the day above ground, it is a good day!

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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #10 on: May 11, 2024, 11:35:35 PM
I would like to see the following tool layers:

Scissors
Pliers
Cybertool Layer
Magnifying Glass + Flashlight
Fish Scaler
Spatula
Can Opener / Cap Lifter

Backside:

Hook with File
Small screwdriver

And all Scale Tools.

Let's call it the CyberPhisher.  :D :D :D :D



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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #11 on: May 12, 2024, 08:40:14 AM
What if the blade is replaced with a rescue cutter? Isn't it ok if the blade is hidden and protected?
So, there could be all current models, with the rescue hook blade instead if the standard blade. :think:
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #12 on: May 12, 2024, 05:04:23 PM
Lots of good ideas here folks - And lots of challenges - Eg Is every tool a sharp?  ???  - I refuse to say weapon !!   :pok: ;)

And particularly what happens to the cs/Ph  as they go on the back of the blade :o
And also what about the openers/awl layer - As I would guess the awl will not figure in the new safe models
Lots of things for Vic to think about and definitely some re-engineering \

Starting to see why Mr. E said it will take some time .....  :think:  My first response to that statement was ..... <why - just drop the blade!!>
But now I see  its a bit more complex - Eh?

But a rescue bade is a very interesting proposition     :salute:   :tu:     I really like that idea
You cannot stab anyone - But te trouble is it is a still a blade    .... e

Its ironic isn't it? - A blade designed to save peoples lives will be banned because they think it will be used to take lives
Just shows how crazy these discussions are
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #13 on: May 12, 2024, 10:25:14 PM
I actually love the idea of a rescue type blade. We would need to check with the very restricted areas but  a small hook blade/cutter is hard to imagine being able to cut a person in an offensive. A longer/different version of the multi tool on the Ruike S31 would be neat. It cant cut my finger or throat, but can still do a number on packing tape and other packing material situations.
 
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #14 on: May 12, 2024, 11:58:55 PM
I'm not interested in anything bladeless.  For me its legal to carry a blade just about everywhere except a federal building or the passenger area of an airport, and I don't go there.

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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #15 on: May 13, 2024, 12:50:32 AM
Just pliers and bit layer.  I've already thought about modding myself.  :think:
Combined with the models I carry that would be the ideal tool addition for me because thick SAKs are not my thing.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #16 on: May 13, 2024, 06:13:08 AM
I would definitely go for a bladeless Cybertool M if it also included the full length file/metal saw as a substitute.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #17 on: May 13, 2024, 08:15:47 AM
Hello,

I would start with a Jetter plus SD file.

I would also like a medium sized one, maybe a climber minus blade. But as other said, it may be already above what would be allowed for a flight.

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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #18 on: May 13, 2024, 08:25:03 AM
i would love to see bladeless Cybertool models also would like to see bladeless SwissChamp
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #19 on: May 13, 2024, 03:42:06 PM
Just thinking about this

I guess that there is quite a distinction between a knife / blade that is illegal to carry in some countries and buildings
And a tool that is not allowed on aeroplanes

A bladeless SAK, maybe with saw, scissors, awl etc would probably be OK if stopped on the streets of Sydney .... as no blade
But you still could not take in on a plane.

SO IMHO Vic should go the direction Leathernman took with the Rebar - and just make a few regular SAKs sans blade (and CS/Ph) I guess   
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #20 on: May 13, 2024, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: Huntsman on May 13, 2024, 03:42:06 PM
Just thinking about this

I guess that there is quite a distinction between a knife / blade that is illegal to carry in some countries and buildings
And a tool that is not allowed on aeroplanes

A bladeless SAK, maybe with saw, scissors, awl etc would probably be OK if stopped on the streets of Sydney .... as no blade
But you still could not take in on a plane.
 

Yeah, I kind of smirk to myself thinking at the notion of taking any metallic tool on a plane. Being in the US there is no guarantee the TSA wont confiscate it just because they feel like it, or have a bad day, or you look  at them wrong.  Rules or not when “discretion” is at play I tend to ere on the side of caution. I don't want my precious new bladeless SAK getting sold to a YouTuber in a TSA lot because a TSA agent had a bad day used discretion on me. 
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #21 on: May 13, 2024, 08:36:31 PM
To be honest, I dont use my blade all that often. I am no outdoorsman . IF I do use it , its to open envelopes or packages for my kids toys. . SO to me its not a huge loss. I would love to buy my grand kids a swiss tool with no blade. For me, If they took the Sportsman ( thats what I carry most often) and swapped out the blade for victorinox scissors , I would defiantly buy that
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #22 on: May 13, 2024, 08:50:32 PM
What about that package opener tool in that one new SAK? Is that a blade? :think:
That would cover a huge portion of my everyday cutting, assuming I could have it on my SAK and be legal.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #23 on: May 14, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
  When Victorinox rolls out these bladeless wonders, I have a suggestion.  Instead of making them with the traditional red (red means danger, right) cellidor, they need to make them green (all green is good) with the words NO BLADE on the sides.  Then when you get stopped with one of the things, the tool can do part of your arguments.  "It's legal.  See?  Look at the handle."  Best wishes.  G
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #24 on: May 14, 2024, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: IMR4198 on May 14, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
  When Victorinox rolls out these bladeless wonders, I have a suggestion.  Instead of making them with the traditional red (red means danger, right) cellidor, they need to make them green (all green is good) with the words NO BLADE on the sides.  Then when you get stopped with one of the things, the tool can do part of your arguments.  "It's legal.  See?  Look at the handle."  Best wishes.  G
I like that idea G, but I like it so much I immediately want a few sets to put on my favorite bladed SAKs  :pok: 
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #25 on: May 14, 2024, 02:51:47 PM
the once (any only) time i tried to board a plane with a vic jetsetter in my carry-on i had it taken from me by TSA because of the scissors. made me wonder if anyone else has successfully carried one on a plane  :think:
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #26 on: May 14, 2024, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: Explorer on May 14, 2024, 02:51:47 PM
the once (any only) time i tried to board a plane with a vic jetsetter in my carry-on i had it taken from me by TSA because of the scissors. made me wonder if anyone else has successfully carried one on a plane  :think:

Just last week, a couple of friends flew back and forth between Poland and the UK with a classic and a rambler. They were not spotted.
On the same trip a few month back, the agent wanted to take my Jetsetter. I managed to explain my way out.
But I also flew a few many other times without any questions.

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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #27 on: May 14, 2024, 04:42:37 PM
This has always been my theory on any "knife looking" tools. Security most places would rather take it than figure it out. Better to carry something like a Shard or a GeeKey.
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #28 on: May 14, 2024, 07:22:25 PM
agreed. i'm actually in el paso TX right now sadly for one of my best friends funerals. Brain cancer took him far too early. didn't bother trying to bring a vic bic of my jetsetter experience. during my stay here someone needed a knife to open something and i instinctively reached for my pocket but nothing there.

it was really weird to not carry a knife this week. my friends wife realized i didn't have a knife on me and so she kindly gave me one of my friends pocketknives to keep and  use while i'm here. which was so kind of her. i will proudly carry it and cherish it in a way that i'm not sure many understand (well except for awlsome folks on this forum of course!) i'll be mailing it back to myself though.  :ahhh
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Re: What bladeless models would you like to see?
Reply #29 on: May 14, 2024, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: BPRoberts on May 14, 2024, 04:42:37 PM
Security most places would rather take it than figure it out. Better to carry something like a Shard or a GeeKey.
Generally speaking, I would agree. But I looked at the list of prohibited items before reporting for jury duty in Wayne County, Michigan. Seems any tool is prohibited unless you're there to do some sort of maintenance. That further fuels my burning desire to get out of here. :rant:

Quote from: Explorer on May 14, 2024, 07:22:25 PM
I'm actually in el paso TX right now sadly for one of my best friends funerals. Brain cancer took him far too early.
I can empathize. You have my deepest and most sincere condolences.
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