Mora Companion

[eamo]

The patinas look good!
Congrats on the new knives!
And what a way to break in the new one

thank you

have to wonder if coke does that to a knife blade what does excessive consumption do to a persons body ? and thats not even starting on the sugar content ! Thankfully, my kids have no interest in drinking the stuff, they rarely drink those kind of drinks.

[magentus]

The patinas look good!
Congrats on the new knives!
And what a way to break in the new one

thank you

have to wonder if coke does that to a knife blade what does excessive consumption do to a persons body ? and thats not even starting on the sugar content ! Thankfully, my kids have no interest in drinking the stuff, they rarely drink those kind of drinks.

Coke is scary stuff. I used to work with someone who drank a 4 litre bottle of it every day and she was all over the place. I bet she wouldn't have dropped her Mora down a drain though.............

[eamo]

The patinas look good!
Congrats on the new knives!
And what a way to break in the new one

thank you

have to wonder if coke does that to a knife blade what does excessive consumption do to a persons body ? and thats not even starting on the sugar content ! Thankfully, my kids have no interest in drinking the stuff, they rarely drink those kind of drinks.

Coke is scary stuff. I used to work with someone who drank a 4 litre bottle of it every day and she was all over the place. I bet she wouldn't have dropped her Mora down a drain though.............

into a drain, into it - not down it. besides it's more like a mini stream since i cleared it out. And it wouldn't have happened if you lot didn't want pictures of my precious . . . . . . . . can for this one or is that overdoing it ?

and yeah, any of those soft drinks are unhealthy - one of the worst hangovers i had was one new years day - i'd stopped drinking a few months previously and so in the bar new years eve i had 3 or 4 cans of soft drink, following day my head was worse then if i'd had 4 or 5 pints.

[eamo]

ok guys, so heres a question - using my new mora companion to slice a few spuds and it struggled - tried the daughters new knife and same story. Got the opinel #8 and it cut like a breeze.

Me or the knives ? They'll cut but only if i put weight on them.

How would you suggest i sharpen them ? Tools i have are a lansky blade medic and a cheapie whetstone, 1500/400 grit.

I would've thought these would be a lot sharper 

[AimlessWanderer]

ok guys, so heres a question - using my new mora companion to slice a few spuds and it struggled - tried the daughters new knife and same story. Got the opinel #8 and it cut like a breeze.

Me or the knives ? They'll cut but only if i put weight on them.

How would you suggest i sharpen them ? Tools i have are a lansky blade medic and a cheapie whetstone, 1500/400 grit.

I would've thought these would be a lot sharper 

Wrong knife for the job  it's the wedge shaped cross section. Great for wood carving, not ideal for veggies  nothing to do with the sharpness 

[eamo]

ok guys, so heres a question - using my new mora companion to slice a few spuds and it struggled - tried the daughters new knife and same story. Got the opinel #8 and it cut like a breeze.

Me or the knives ? They'll cut but only if i put weight on them.

How would you suggest i sharpen them ? Tools i have are a lansky blade medic and a cheapie whetstone, 1500/400 grit.

I would've thought these would be a lot sharper 

Wrong knife for the job  it's the wedge shaped cross section. Great for wood carving, not ideal for veggies  nothing to do with the sharpness 

thank you Al. Another lesson learned.
 

[campussecurity]

I love my Carbon Mora. One of the sharpest tools I own.

[SAK Guy]

Have to cola one of my 510's  Some of you may recall I dealt with this last year but it was a stop gap measure...a little Flitz and forget it.

Well, not surprisingly, the rust is back just like last time. Checked all the others and they're fine.

[eamo]

Have to cola one of my 510's  Some of you may recall I dealt with this last year but it was a stop gap measure...a little Flitz and forget it.

Well, not surprisingly, the rust is back just like last time. Checked all the others and they're fine.

strange - why just that knife and not the others as well ?

[firiki]

My guess is some inconsistency in materials or manufacturing process. I've often seen sets of glassware or cutlery where some pieces catch water salts on the first wash and remain blemished.

[SAK Guy]

When I first found the rust it was still in the sheath, blade covered with factory oil.  It started at the handle seam. I'm going to do a thread on all this including the cola soak results....it should have been ready this morning but the bottle leaked and the coke level dropped an inch overnight and left the spot worse than ever. Re-doing it now, 

[SAK Guy]

Have to cola one of my 510's  Some of you may recall I dealt with this last year but it was a stop gap measure...a little Flitz and forget it.

Well, not surprisingly, the rust is back just like last time. Checked all the others and they're fine.

strange - why just that knife and not the others as well ?

It's very non typical for a Mora. Perhaps something got under the oil at the factory. I call this "spider rust" and have only seen it one other time on my knives...on my carbon Grohmann Canadian belt knife. It had a tiny spot on it when I bought it. In general, all my carbon knives, even the ones stored in leather sheaths, do not rust.

[eamo]

ok, so, I was going to start a new thread but I like this one so shall we keep it going ?

Seems my experience with my companion cutting spuds isn't unique (not that i though it was)
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=post;quote=1225471;topic=64581.0;last_msg=1225471

Is there a thread explaining different blade geometries ?
there is this link - http://www.knifeart.com/bladgeomfaqb.html
but I don't know how to relate that to actual blades - ie, what kind of blade is my opinel ? or the companion ?

Secondly, and i know this has been asked numerous times, what do people use to sharpen their mora's ?

My sharpening skills are sucky at best, and before i ruin a nice blade I'd like to have a bit more knowledge My preference would be freehand using a whetstone 

Regarding tools I have a lansky blade medic and a cheapie 400/1500 flat stone. I can invest more but right now I don't really want to, and if i do then cheap is the word . . . . i think knowledge is more important tbh.

[Grathr]

I use a spyderco double pocket stone for touching up the edge.

[eamo]

I use a spyderco double pocket stone for touching up the edge.

Something like this ?
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87

[SteveC]

I use the Lansky turnbox for my knives . It works really well and is inexpensive to boot. Super easy to use for even the inexperienced.

http://www.amazon.com/Lansky-4-rod-Crock-Sharpener-LCD5D/dp/B000B8FW0E

[Grathr]

I use a spyderco double pocket stone for touching up the edge.

Something like this ?
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87

I cant open that link for some reason

[SAK Guy]

I use a spyderco double pocket stone for touching up the edge.

Something like this ?
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87

I cant open that link for some reason

Here ya go....

[Grathr]

I use a spyderco double pocket stone for touching up the edge.

Something like this ?
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87

I cant open that link for some reason

Here ya go....

Thanks!
Thats the one

[eamo]

whats the difference between a cheapie £5-6 400/1500 grit stone like i have and a more expensive stone like the spyderco ?

so many questions, so few answers . . . .

[eamo]

I use the Lansky turnbox for my knives . It works really well and is inexpensive to boot. Super easy to use for even the inexperienced.

http://www.amazon.com/Lansky-4-rod-Crock-Sharpener-LCD5D/dp/B000B8FW0E

thanks Steve - that looks easy for even me to use . . . . interesting

this is all becoming very expensive

[eamo]

ok, am i correct that the degress refer to the angle at which the blade is ground ? So using the lansky or similiar system, how do you know what angle to use for a particular blade ?

I suppose, in a similiar vein, using a flat whetstone how do you know how much to angle the blade by ?   

i'm inclined right now to get a real cheapie throwaway and use that to practice with what i have and see . . . . but i could change my mind based on the next post 

[styx]

whats the difference between a cheapie £5-6 400/1500 grit stone like i have and a more expensive stone like the spyderco ?

so many questions, so few answers . . . .

when it comes to water stones, the difference is in how fast they release the abrasive within them. with diamond stones it is their longevity and abrasive particle size is more even. ceramic stones are a bit harder to call in respect to grit but at this moment i'd say it more about the certainty in which category a particular stone falls than anything else (i.e. medium, fine, extra fine...)

if you look at the attached grit chart (it's very old, found it on some forum a few years back), our descriptions of fine and even using grit numbers don't necessarily reflect how it would compare to another stone of the same grit number.

look up Murray Carter and Cliff Stamp on youtube if you really want to go nuts with freehand sharpening. they use anything from bricks to high end stones. just be careful because their terminology is different.
when it comes to stones, you might want to see if Belgian Coticule stones can be found at some local shops since those are amazing. blue is around 4000 grit and yellow is around 8000 which is straight razor territory

ok, am i correct that the degress refer to the angle at which the blade is ground ? So using the lansky or similiar system, how do you know what angle to use for a particular blade ?

I suppose, in a similiar vein, using a flat whetstone how do you know how much to angle the blade by ?   

i'm inclined right now to get a real cheapie throwaway and use that to practice with what i have and see . . . . but i could change my mind based on the next post 

general idea is that 20 degrees per side is optimal for most cutting tasks and most users. the steeper the angle the better a knife will cut (generally) but the edge will also be less stable (since it has less metal to support it). there are extreme examples of putting 8 degrees per side and edges still cutting soda cans without major issues.

this is the reason why Mora knives cut so well out of the factory - their angle is 12 per side as far as i remember. nothing magical about the grind except that it can support such an angle

going freehand does have a lot to do with feeling the right angle but you can always color the edge with a marker and see if you're going too high or too low. practice makes perfect in that case.

[eamo]

thank you Styx, some good info there for me to digest.

[zoidberg]

this is all becoming very expensive

It doesn't have to be...

Diamond coated file from a Leatherman Charge.

[Gerhard Gerber]

this is all becoming very expensive

I hear you, wanted to buy the Spyderco Sharpmaker, thought it was about N$1000, turns out I would pay over N$2000.....simply can't justify that.....
https://www.dmtsharp.com/sharpeners/pocket-models/mini-sharp/

I bought a Red and Green of these, not cheap either but sufficient - you don't need more than these and a strop for a Mora.

[eamo]

this is all becoming very expensive

It doesn't have to be...

Diamond coated file from a Leatherman Charge.

i think my problem is more lack of knowledge/skill rather then the tools to do the job - hence lots of questions but i guess i keep you guys amused at leaset

[kirk13]

Somebody already mentioned a Lansky turnbox. They're cheap as chips,and work good! Victorinox do a combo ceramic sharpener/stone for under a tenner. It's really easy to use and great for SAKs.

If you can spend a bit more,the Lansky system with the different honing stones is excellent!

[SAK Guy]

I freehand with these...

http://www.victorinox.com/global/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/Accessories/Dual-Knife-Sharpener/p/4.3323

http://www.amazon.com/DMT-FWFC-Double-Diafold-Sharpener/dp/B00004WFTW


http://www.amazon.com/Fallkniven-Diamond-Ceramic-Whetstone-Sharpening/dp/B003BUV226/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1455193262&sr=1-2&keywords=fallkniven+dc+4

[styx]

norton india stones and crystolon stones are also fairly inexpensive and work very well

and this idea might get you situated for free (if you can find a brick)