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SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?

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SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
on: November 22, 2023, 09:59:45 PM
After spending two months carrying a Spirit "Swiss Army Knife Leatherman" I thought it might be fun to carry the T4 "Leatherman Swiss Army Knife" and see how the boys in Portland handle things going the other way. Anybody else want to hop in? Grab an Armbar, an Aitor, a Swiza, or that shady thing your cousin got you from the souvenir shop with your name on it last summer. We'll have a good time!


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #1 on: November 23, 2023, 08:42:33 AM
I haven’t done a SAK-alike challenge for a few years. I would probably be game.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #2 on: November 23, 2023, 08:51:21 AM
A SAK-alike Challenge?  :cheers:
That sounds like fun. :D


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #3 on: November 28, 2023, 06:31:02 AM
Before I try and sign up for this challenge, does this count?

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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #4 on: November 28, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
I don't see why not


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #5 on: November 28, 2023, 05:40:54 PM
I want join the challenge ; I have look a likes but they are cheap as hell, so no insurance would pay if something happens..
but this gives me an idea for an video ^^
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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #6 on: December 01, 2023, 01:23:46 AM
Let's get this started!

Day 0

   After carrying the Swisstool Spirit for the last two months, I thought it’d be fun to flip things around and carry the T4. I got this one used/like new a while ago, can I’ve carried it a few times. First impressions: It’s pretty chunky. Length is 93mm, so that’s familiar. A little heavier than the Farmer X (but not really wider, just less contoured), but a couple more tools in exchange, so that’s fine.

Front side

OHO? Blade: Not sure if I’m doing something wrong, but I’m really struggling to get this OHO. I assume this is a standard thumbhole deal, but it’s really hard to open, and I can feel my thumb on the edge of the blade. Maybe I need to oil it? Kinda short? Comparable to the length on blade on an 84mm, but a little more belly. Happy with the belly, but not thrilled about trading the length for it. Hopefully I can get better at the action, or this is going to really drag down the whole “knife based” multitool thing. Blade was “sharpish” on delivery. I’ve had this for a while, and I forget if it was NIB or “like new.” I was able to clean it up on the stones, but it took longer than I expected.

Double sided file w/ small driver: I like Leatherman’s files a lot more than Vic’s, so happy to see this here. Works decently on a nail file, not tried it on much else yet. Leatherman, as always, can’t resist the urge to put three sizes of flathead on everything they make. Glad they figured out how to make them multitaskers at least!

Chisel/Scraper: The Spirit is the first tool I carried for any length of time with one of these, and I loved it. Excited to see how this one compares. Initial feel, I think I like the Vic a bit more robust, but we’ll see. More flathead!

These OHO about halfway with the thumb on the back tabs, and I’m reasonably comfortable popping them the rest of the way with a nail under them, they’re not that sharp.

Back side

Same OHO as the secondary front side tools

Scissors: These feel pretty solid. We’ll see how they cut over the course of the month, but hopeful out of the box.

Phillips/Bottle Opener: Nice solid tool, and I appreciate the squarish shank for adapters. If I wind up liking the T4, I’ll have to pick one up for it from someone (since Leatherman apparently doesn’t want my money).  Slightly disappointed we couldn’t get a full square shank and just use the one that fits the Rebar. Is that giant grey space next to it critical for anything? I don’t think the blade is deep enough. I’m sure the bottle opener will get a couple rounds this month. Kind of funny on the bottom of the Phillips, but I assume it’ll work. As long as the chisel is functional, I don’t think I’ll miss the can opener too much.

Awl/driver: Putting a screwdriver on the awl is an interesting choice. We’ll see how it does at each. Front facing sewing eye is neat too, I feel like you mostly get those on back mount awls like 91mm SAKs, although I think some of my scouts have them.

Tweezers: Appreciate the angled tips. Sometimes I file them down on my Vic tools, but always happy to have less work to do.

Overall, a nice toolset. I like having a can opener, but mostly to use it as a package opener, which the chisel should be able to handle. Interesting to see Leatherman, who have traditionally not been heavily into doubling up on single implements, get some more multifunctional ones. I think the make or break on this is going to be how well the OHO works, especially on the knife blade. If I can get more used to it/break it in, then it’ll be great. If it’s kind of clumsy, then it’s just an awkward SAK. Easy one handed closing on a lock is nice regardless. Either way, always happy to see someone other than Vic get in on the KBMT game. They’re my favorite style of tool to carry, and I’d love to see more companies (especially US ones) work on it. A little bummed that Leatherman isn’t doing anything with this line besides the garage release. It definitely feels like there’s room for some refinement on the design (or at least other tool combos), but maybe they don’t sell well enough to justify the expense.

Mine came with a clip installed. Not really a big fan on this style of tool, so I removed it after some fuss. I thought it was supposed to be the same screws as the Bond clip, but the torx wrench I got with that didn’t fit. Screws looked a little stripped, but they did fine once I got a set of torx bits in. Wanted them anyway, so that was fine.

What’re you all bringing to the party? I’ve been thinking of getting a Fox Vulpis, so hoping to see one of those. Can we bring the Leatherman vs Gerber rivalry in here too and get an Armbar? Maybe a Swiza?




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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #7 on: December 01, 2023, 02:33:40 AM
I'm just here to follow along for now.... I won't be able to get to my SAKalike for the first third of the challenge, unfortunately. 


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #8 on: December 01, 2023, 04:23:15 AM
I'm not sure what mine is but I do know it's from Voss Cutlery.  I've tried doing research on it but I haven't found much.  I do know that Voss Cutlery has been a round for a while but it sounds like it changed ownership down the road somewhere.  If anyone could tell me anything about it, I'd be most appreciative.

I picked this up from the Revived Sos Surprise Box GAW ( US edition ) thread in case anyone is wondering.

Thus far, I've straightened out the bail, cleaned up some surface staining, lubricated all the moving parts, and filed down the back tool nail openings some more as I had a hard time getting my nails in there to open them.  The corkscrew is a bit odd as it looks like a drill bit but seems to work pretty good at creating holes.  It looks like the tip of the corkscrew is broken but I'm not positive as the only other example I found on eBay seems to look the same way.

The blade is 72mm long and it was as dull as a spoon when I got it.  I had to start with a coarse stone but it took an edge very well.  It passed the paper test but I'd like to strop it and see if I can get it a bit sharper.  Just need to get me a strop or a thick strip of leather.

The file/flat head combo tool is 65mm long.  The flat head is almost 1mm thick and 6mm wide at the end.  I still need to try and take a brass brush to the file to see if I can clean it up more.

The awl is 39mm long and reminds me a lot of the old school SAK awls.  That's what drew me to this piece to begin with.

The wrench opens up to about 17mm before it starts feeling weak or unstable, though I don't think you'd be able to get enough leverage to remove a nut or bolt of that size.

It also weighs 4.5oz so it's not light but it doesn't feel like I'm carrying a rock in my pocket.

I've thought about modding it but I'm not sure I have the skill set for it yet.  :D  I'll wait till after the challenge though as I don't have another SAK-A-Like.  Ideally, I'd like to try the following mods:
  • powder coat the outer case a matte red
  • perhaps some brass pins but I'm not sold on that yet
  • cut a wire stripping notch at the back end of the file
  • swap out the corkscrew for the SAK longer in-line phillips
  • acid etching the square shaft of the wrench
  • acid etching only the file section of the combo tool
Looking forward to this challenge.  :cheers:

 
 
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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #9 on: December 01, 2023, 11:47:39 PM
Definitely a cool gadget! I look forward to seeing you put it through its paces.

Day 1

Used the blade a few times today without taking a pic. Have the "old belt" test. Here's the T4 and a Tinker with the holes they poked in my old belt. The lock and front facing made the T4 more convenient to use, but the questionable edge made it pretty rough at actually making the hole. Overall, I think I'd rate it above the Tinker, but below a Vic 93mm or most other quality scout patterns.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #10 on: December 01, 2023, 11:59:23 PM
I'm not sure what mine is but I do know it's from Voss Cutlery.  I've tried doing research on it but I haven't found much.  I do know that Voss Cutlery has been a round for a while but it sounds like it changed ownership down the road somewhere.  If anyone could tell me anything about it, I'd be most appreciative.

I picked this up from the Revived Sos Surprise Box GAW ( US edition ) thread in case anyone is wondering.

Thus far, I've straightened out the bail, cleaned up some surface staining, lubricated all the moving parts, and filed down the back tool nail openings some more as I had a hard time getting my nails in there to open them.  The corkscrew is a bit odd as it looks like a drill bit but seems to work pretty good at creating holes.  It looks like the tip of the corkscrew is broken but I'm not positive as the only other example I found on eBay seems to look the same way.

The blade is 72mm long and it was as dull as a spoon when I got it.  I had to start with a coarse stone but it took an edge very well.  It passed the paper test but I'd like to strop it and see if I can get it a bit sharper.  Just need to get me a strop or a thick strip of leather.

The file/flat head combo tool is 65mm long.  The flat head is almost 1mm thick and 6mm wide at the end.  I still need to try and take a brass brush to the file to see if I can clean it up more.

The awl is 39mm long and reminds me a lot of the old school SAK awls.  That's what drew me to this piece to begin with.

The wrench opens up to about 17mm before it starts feeling weak or unstable, though I don't think you'd be able to get enough leverage to remove a nut or bolt of that size.

It also weighs 4.5oz so it's not light but it doesn't feel like I'm carrying a rock in my pocket.

I've thought about modding it but I'm not sure I have the skill set for it yet.  :D  I'll wait till after the challenge though as I don't have another SAK-A-Like.  Ideally, I'd like to try the following mods:
  • powder coat the outer case a matte red
  • perhaps some brass pins but I'm not sold on that yet
  • cut a wire stripping notch at the back end of the file
  • swap out the corkscrew for the SAK longer in-line phillips
  • acid etching the square shaft of the wrench
  • acid etching only the file section of the combo tool
Looking forward to this challenge.  :cheers:

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Thats awesome Aztec, at first glance I thought that could be some calipers instead of a wrench.  Interesting tool you have there.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #11 on: December 02, 2023, 01:00:01 AM
Day 1

Only mail call duty today for my Voss.  However, I need to change the tire tube on my daughter's bicycle tomorrow so that'll be a great opportunity to try out the wrench.



I also just noticed this today.  The back part of the wrench sticks out a hair over a millimeter.  I imagine that's by design and not sloppiness in manufacturing but I wonder what it would be for.  I feel like I could use it as a tiny hammer but who knows.

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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #12 on: December 02, 2023, 01:02:03 AM
Definitely a cool gadget! I look forward to seeing you put it through its paces.

Day 1

Used the blade a few times today without taking a pic. Have the "old belt" test. Here's the T4 and a Tinker with the holes they poked in my old belt. The lock and front facing made the T4 more convenient to use, but the questionable edge made it pretty rough at actually making the hole. Overall, I think I'd rate it above the Tinker, but below a Vic 93mm or most other quality scout patterns.

Is the tip on the T4 sharp enough to cut the hole or do you have to drive it through?
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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #13 on: December 02, 2023, 02:34:30 AM
I kinda want to participate challenge but carrying my T4 for long time i cant justify carrying it anymore. I must admit i hate that blade and its my main reason why i dont want to carry anymore, all other tools opens smoothly except Blade, i can open it better with my left hand by opening halfway with my index finger and rest with thumb but knife is in left hand and i need to change it to right hand to operate with it.
Blade feels really stiff to open but any other tool doesnt. Blade itself is ok when used, it doesnt blow your mind but does it work.
It kinda feels too small for me to operate properly, even that its same size as my Pioneer X but since pivots are closer center it makes opening tools bit uncomfortable also opening tools on blade side feels painful cause of blade. Since blade doesnt open pressing end of tool it feels sometimes panful when blades back stays in place when opening packet opener/prying tool and File/flathead.

Tools itself is quite good, scissors can handle all kind stuff but not puncturing precision cut, scissors are comfortable use. Awl is good packet opener, screwdriver and letter opener but shape of awl makes it feel not good for drilling (allways when i did it i was affraid breaking it and i didnt even try to make same mowevements what i would do SAK awl.
Phillips was maybe my most used tool, its long, strong and feels like its centered.
File is ok, its bit short file but its quite aggressive so it removes burrs and mater fairly fast. Medium flathead is ok but i would try same torque with as phillips.
Packet opener/prying tool is good for prying stuff and used slot key but openening packets is bit controversial, it works but since it has thick flathead it doesnt have sharp edge like on Spirits chisel so it needs bit diffrent angle to work properly.
Pocketclip is nice addition to it and tool feels pretty good in hand altought it looks bulky.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #14 on: December 02, 2023, 04:06:04 AM
Is the tip on the T4 sharp enough to cut the hole or do you have to drive it through?

Not entirely sure I understand this question. Best answer I can give is that I had to push harder than with most the other awls I've tested on this belt.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #15 on: December 02, 2023, 05:29:47 AM
Day 1

I’ve been thinking of getting a Fox Vulpis, so hoping to see one of those.
Ask and ye shall receive!

I have several tools I’m hoping to show and perhaps put through a few tests during this challenge, but I’ll start with the Fox Vulpis.  This is the version that has the knife blade, saw, scissors, can opener + screwdriver, and bottle opener + screwdriver, and Ti scales.

F&F are excellent.  W&T also good with about average pull (which is fine with me; I don’t personally consider gator-snap pull  necessary or even desirable in a carry knife).

For a MT with a tool loadout that bears more than a passing resemblance to the Vic Huntsman and Farmer X, perhaps one of the most noticeable aspects is how small this knife is.  At only about 74 mm closed, I can get at most three fingers on the handle.  More on this later…


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #16 on: December 02, 2023, 06:01:38 AM
Excited to see it in action! Thanks for stepping in.


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Reply #17 on: December 02, 2023, 06:36:35 AM
Not entirely sure I understand this question. Best answer I can give is that I had to push harder than with most the other awls I've tested on this belt.

The awl on the SAKs come to a point where as on the T4 it appears to be a flat head.

I was just wondering if the flat head on the T3 came to a sharp edge to allow you to slice into the leather belt or if it was just a regular flat head.  Sounds like it's just a regular flat head as you mentioned that you had to push harder that usual.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #18 on: December 02, 2023, 01:39:06 PM
I'm interested to see how a T4 works out in a challenge.  I don't have one, but I have been looking.  :facepalm: 


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #19 on: December 02, 2023, 01:42:21 PM
It's all good! I'll get a close up later, but I would say it's really closer to a chisel than anything else. There's some light angling "horizontally" and a pretty aggressive edge "vertically". When I went scout-crazy a couple months ago, I found a few others that used a similar design. IMO, it's an acceptable compromise as an awl, provided that it works alright as a screw driver, and the tip isn't weakened too badly to bend (making it no longer usable as a driver) or break. We'll see how it does throughout the month.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #20 on: December 02, 2023, 09:55:29 PM
Day 1
SAK-Alike Challenge
Leatherman Free T2

I'll join in BP, but will be a day behind unless I can catch up somewhere along the line.

I picked up this T2 back in the spring at the local flea market. It is also quite chunky and I really haven't carried it because of that. I can see that I really need to work on its edge as well. This challenge will give "me" a chance to really give "it" a chance. Heck, I might even break down and buy a pocket clip for it. 

I also have an Armbar that might make a cameo over the next 30 days.

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Reply #21 on: December 02, 2023, 11:42:44 PM
Glad to have you aboard. Let me know what you decide on the pocket clip, I could probably pass mine along.


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Reply #22 on: December 03, 2023, 04:29:12 AM
Day 2

Continuing with the awl, I decided to try the sd tip on my glasses. It was able to tighten and loosen the screw, with some scraping. I guess if I was ever stranded in the wilderness and needed to tighten my glasses, it'd work. Awlso closeup of the awl.


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Reply #23 on: December 03, 2023, 05:55:26 AM
Day 2

The main blade of the Vulpis is of course M390, which is arguably one of the primary draws of this knife.  It came suitably sharp right from the factory.

I’m not a huge fan of the unusual blade shape.  I suppose I might describe it as a modified lambsfoot, but the pics speak for themselves.  Call it personal preference, but I would rather have a clip point or spear point if it is to be my only blade.

Some dislike nail cutouts as opposed to nail nicks (mainly based on aesthetics, I believe), but functionally I find no difference.

The blade can be pinched open, which I appreciate as it can be a nail saver if you’re using the knife frequently.

The Vulpis easily trimmed my cigar today.

While I didn’t have a chance to try it on these tasks today, if we think about this Vulpis as a competitor to the Vic Huntsman and FX as a hiking/camping tool, I believe that the shorter blade of the Vulpis makes it less suited for kitchen/food use, and the shorter handle would make it more difficult to use as a whittling/woodworking knife.


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Reply #24 on: December 03, 2023, 07:22:07 AM
Awlso closeup of the awl.

I understand the T4 awl now.  It's definitely more of a chisel.  Thanks for the close up.

The Vulpis easily trimmed my cigar today.

That's a good use right there.  I need to try that during this challenge.

Day 2

The wrench worked pretty good at getting the nut off the bicycle.  I was trying to get a video using only one hand but I kept fumbling it so I just gave up and took a picture instead.

However, anything bigger than this bicycle nut and it would be a little bit of struggle to generate enough torque to get the nut or bolt off.  Not to mention that the wrench wouldn't open too much more before coming loose.


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #25 on: December 03, 2023, 10:56:21 AM
This is my explanation why I will not join this challenge :

https://youtu.be/rO3KVYJ15Mk?si=eh-j1T3e16Ws--HO
Your SAK is only fully yours, when it bites you, or you opend a Trink of your joice whit it
SAKs i have: Huntsman Light (Red Transparent), Workchamp (Black), Wenger EvoGrip S557 (Red), Swisschamp XLT (Red Transparent).. Swisschamp (Blue Transparent) Cybertool L (Blue Celidor (custom scales) , Huntsman (Black Celidor) , Victorinox EvoGrip S557 (Red, but sadly lost in my house somewhere) Victorinox Delemont S17 and S57 ..  , waiting for: Swiza D09 Blue


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #26 on: December 03, 2023, 02:43:30 PM
Day 2

The main blade of the Vulpis is of course M390, which is arguably one of the primary draws of this knife.  It came suitably sharp right from the factory.

I’m not a huge fan of the unusual blade shape.  I suppose I might describe it as a modified lambsfoot, but the pics speak for themselves.  Call it personal preference, but I would rather have a clip point or spear point if it is to be my only blade.


While I can appreciate your personal opinion,,,,, I really like the shape of the main blade. I bet it will prove quite effective at many tasks!  :like:



The wrench worked pretty good at getting the nut off the bicycle. 


bike repair for the kiddos, doesn't get much better than that!  :cheers:
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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #27 on: December 03, 2023, 07:47:34 PM
It looks like they're trying to strike a balance between pointy and not, which seems reasonable. Time will tell how effective it is.

Day 3

The wick in this candle was stuck in the wax. Used the awl to dig it out, and realized it was too long. Trimmed with scissors. All good so far!


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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #28 on: December 04, 2023, 12:37:56 AM
Day 2
SAK-Alike Challenge
Leatherman Free T2

Cajun was on the menu tonight. Smoked boudin and crawfish/shrimp etouffee. Used the T2 to open some packaging.

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Re: SAK-A-Like and/or off brand challenge for December?
Reply #29 on: December 04, 2023, 01:11:30 AM
3 days in, all I've got that's like a SAK would be my Armbars. Too late to hop in? How would I go about the days I miss?

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