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SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September

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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #120 on: September 04, 2025, 12:58:06 AM
Day 4???
You move to OZ of New Zealand?
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #121 on: September 04, 2025, 01:07:32 AM
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #122 on: September 04, 2025, 01:16:57 AM
Day 2

The Gerber Armbar Slim Drive (henceforth GASD) on cigar duty.


Thus far:

I give the concept an “A”.  The idea of a fairly slim, light, and compact tool that contains a blade and some decent screwdrivers (in this case, a bit driver with a single bit that is flat on one end and Phillips on the other), plus the obligatory bottle opener of course, is a good one.

I give the execution a “C”.  F&F isn’t terrible, but not on par with Vic standards.

The blade is supposed to be OHO (my example is quite stiff, but may loosen up with use) and features a liner lock.  I also don’t like coated blades and don’t feel the wharncliffe blade shape is the best option for general EDC, but these last two are really personal preference.

The bit driver strongly retains the bit thanks to what appears to be a rare earth magnet; good job by Gerber on this, as nothing ruins the experience of a tool with removable bits faster than bits that fall out/get lost.  The bit driver is also pretty well centered in the tool, which makes it much more pleasant to use than MTs with offset drivers.  A second bit with some different tips might have been nice, but I’m betting the included double-ended bit will handle the majority of screws most folks will encounter.

One oversight, IMO, is that the bit driver does not lock open.  I would much rather have a blade that doesn’t lock and a screwdriver that does (e.g. TL-29) than a blade that locks and a screwdriver that doesn’t (as the GASD has).

I haven’t tried the bottle opener, but as this is possibly the easiest tool to build of any commonly found on MTs, I’m willing to assume it opens bottles.  I don’t like the tool opening mechanism though; apparently, the only way to open it is by applying pressure to the ridges on the back of the tool.  There is no nail nick or other more positive means of opening that I can see.  Like the blade, the bottle opener on my example is quite stiff, but may loosen with use.

Overall, I think most users (including yours truly) would be better served by spending the extra $10 for a Vic Explorer.


Nice write-up on your assessment so far.  I'm using a Gerber Armbar Slim Cut (GASC) for the challenge, so I might as well volley some thoughts back at you. 

I've had varying luck with using the one hand opening on the blade, but I must admit I like having the option.  I like it much better than the OHO method on the Vic Trekker because theres no worry that if I lose my grip, the blade snaps back on me.  It's not smooth by any means, but if you think of it like a friction folder (which it basically is) then you can get on with the idea a little easier.  I'll admit it ends up being a two handed operation sometimes - especially when disengaging the lock.  But so far i'm enjoying the capability.

As for the blade shape, I do like this sheepsfoot quite a bit theres definitely an advantage of having the tip angled downward instead of forward for some tasks. 

Now then - before this challenge started, I was searching online for another contender for a SAK similar - and I noticed that other brands that have locking tools do not put a lock on the bit driver.  That lead me to think - could it be that the tang of the bit driver does not lend itself to a locking mechanism as easy as the tang of other more 2-D tools?  Maybe.  At least thats the thought I had once I noticed the same issue with other tools. 


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #123 on: September 04, 2025, 02:49:31 AM
Here I found a pic of the off brand sak the kid got me,,
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #124 on: September 04, 2025, 03:05:43 AM
Day 3
So I got bored at work... and now it cuts a lot better.

Also added a spare fob I had hanging around.
One thing to note is the bale is short and tight so it rubs on the scales when pushed to the back of the knife.
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #125 on: September 04, 2025, 03:14:02 AM
Great job everyone!

Day 3

Brought out the Pradel from it's hibernation.  It's mostly a shelf queen but figured I'd give it a few days worth of use. 

I used the can opener in an unintended fashion.  It worked perfectly to peel off the edge of the registration sticker on our SUV.  Also used the blade to cut open some allergy med for my son.  Need to see if I can find a tin can tomorrow to try out the can opener.  I may use work gloves when operating the can opener based on previous experience.   :facepalm:


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #126 on: September 04, 2025, 04:18:09 AM

Nice write-up on your assessment so far.  I'm using a Gerber Armbar Slim Cut (GASC) for the challenge, so I might as well volley some thoughts back at you. 

I've had varying luck with using the one hand opening on the blade, but I must admit I like having the option.  I like it much better than the OHO method on the Vic Trekker because theres no worry that if I lose my grip, the blade snaps back on me.  It's not smooth by any means, but if you think of it like a friction folder (which it basically is) then you can get on with the idea a little easier.  I'll admit it ends up being a two handed operation sometimes - especially when disengaging the lock.  But so far i'm enjoying the capability.

As for the blade shape, I do like this sheepsfoot quite a bit theres definitely an advantage of having the tip angled downward instead of forward for some tasks. 

Now then - before this challenge started, I was searching online for another contender for a SAK similar - and I noticed that other brands that have locking tools do not put a lock on the bit driver.  That lead me to think - could it be that the tang of the bit driver does not lend itself to a locking mechanism as easy as the tang of other more 2-D tools?  Maybe.  At least thats the thought I had once I noticed the same issue with other tools.
:cheers: EB!

I can get mine to OHO, but it’s not a quick process, and I have to push so hard that I’m a bit concerned I’ll fillet my thumb if it slips.  Just not very well done IMO, though like I said, maybe will loosen with enough use.

With regard to blades locking and bit drivers not locking, the cynic in me says it’s faulty safety nanny logic:  Closing a blade on one’s fingers could cause significant injury, while closing a bit driver on one’s fingers is unlikely to.  Therefore, the blade gets a lock and the bit driver doesn’t. 
Of course, this ignores the facts that a folding knife (even without a lock) will never close on one’s fingers if used properly, while a properly used bit driver might fold in use without a lock.


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #127 on: September 04, 2025, 04:18:39 AM
Day 3

LionSteel Jack 2

M390 steel, Ti bolsters, and this version has G-10 slabs



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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #128 on: September 04, 2025, 04:33:56 AM
I have an Armbar Scout and several electrician's knives. (One is a Camillus with an X deeply gouged into the tang stamp.) At least one of the electrician's knives will make an appearance.

Day 3

My Swiza is actually a D04. Here it is with its blade in the open position.

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And here I am exerting pressure on its cross.

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Pushing the cross disengages what is essentially a liner lock. My initial thought was that such a setup is gimmicky, but I do suppose it is a little safer than a straight liner lock. Are these modern knives with "button locks" employing a similar setup? :think: (I'll save my thoughts on the various locking mechanisms for a future post.)

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For those tempted by a Swiza, this may give you pause: Knife Center sells a new D04 for $61. That's twice what they sell a Tinker for, and a few bucks more than a Picnicker. My preliminary assessment is that you'd have to really like the shape, the sorta rubbery scales, and/or the supposed dishwasher safety to justify such a price premium.
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #129 on: September 04, 2025, 05:06:47 AM
I have that same knife, except for blue scales.  It's not a bad knife, but $61 USD is a bit steep, I agree.
Barry


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #130 on: September 04, 2025, 07:38:05 AM
Day 4

Richards, Sheffield scout/camp knife



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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #131 on: September 04, 2025, 08:06:37 AM
Day 3
 Switched to the medium Ruike today and used the small curved serrated blade to open a package and to cut a zip tied.  The tip isn’t sharp but it cut well once get to the teeth.



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Reply #132 on: September 04, 2025, 12:29:01 PM
DAY 4  When you're a kid, this is a SAK.  Thanks, Uncle Jim.  :D


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Reply #133 on: September 04, 2025, 01:17:03 PM
Day 4

     I am getting rid of some of the extra rice here on Werecoyote Trail.  This one has egg noodles and veggies with some chicken chunks.  Perfect once I added some Badia Sazon Completa.  I made too much and left a small portion for the vermin.  They wouldn't eat it.  Raccoons don't do rice. 
     We started talking about Camillus knives with strike-outs/ground off tang stamps.  Factory rejects of course.  Lots of them aren't finished.  They just got tossed without spending the extra labor on them.  Like friend Looper's purple knife with the casting sprues still on the scales. 
     I bought several of these white handled Camillus knives.  They were big knives.  All had the Camillus markings ground off with a bench grinder.  I don't remember all of the models of rejects that I have seen.  I do remember the Camillus Wildlife Series.  Big hunting type folders with an animal head in a little oval on the handles.  All the clunkers had no ovals.  I didn't buy any of those.  I saw lots of these things.  Also many, many Kabars.  I don't even remember all the types at this point.  I found a photo of the white Camillus model.  My old barber lost his knife and I let him have my last one.  No obvious flaws on these particular knives except for grinder marks.  Best wishes.  G
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Reply #134 on: September 04, 2025, 01:33:54 PM
  [ You are not allowed to view this attachment ]  How about some Camillus scout knives?  I had one of these with CASE brand markings.  Pretty good knife actually, just not a genuine CASE.  Best wishes.  G
PS   If you were wondering, Indian Stag wasn't genuine antlers from a Sambar.  It was an orange looking delrin or something.  G
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Reply #135 on: September 04, 2025, 02:40:53 PM
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #136 on: September 04, 2025, 06:37:24 PM
Day 4 of 30

Today carried T4 and used scissors to open food pack, used also blade to slice some cucumber. I gotta admit that T4 is handy tool even tho i cannot still open blade easily with onehand.

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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #137 on: September 04, 2025, 07:15:33 PM
The Camillus/Case/KABAR Scouts are probably the nicest ones I've seen general production. You can go spend $200 on some kind of bougie thing  :whistle: but those old girls are great. Would love for someone to start producing them stateside again.


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #138 on: September 04, 2025, 07:44:14 PM
Day 4 of 30

Today carried T4 and used scissors to open food pack, used also blade to slice some cucumber. I gotta admit that T4 is handy tool even tho i cannot still open blade easily with onehand.

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The blade on my T2 is similarly stiff; it will be making an appearance later in this challenge.
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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #139 on: September 04, 2025, 08:05:14 PM
Day 4

The CAMILLUS  blueish-purple crossout is my  carry today.
No action as of yet…

But, did take time to compare it to a Scout Jr that will be called upon in the near future.
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It is CASE Amber bone.
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Hope yours is as good!

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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #140 on: September 04, 2025, 09:14:19 PM
Day2, nothing special, just cut a bread roll..
I did also though about the Ryke Tool, but unfortunately it’s one hand opened, so against German knife laws..
There are also more Swizza available, but non of them whit an normal SAK Skizzors..
Your SAK is only fully yours, when it bites you, or you opend a Trink of your joice whit it
SAKs i have: Huntsman Light (Red Transparent), Workchamp (Black), Wenger EvoGrip S557 (Red), Swisschamp XLT (Red Transparent).. Swisschamp (Blue Transparent) Cybertool L (Blue Celidor (custom scales) , Huntsman (Black Celidor) , Victorinox EvoGrip S557 (Red, but sadly lost in my house somewhere) Victorinox Delemont S17 and S57 ..  , waiting for: Swiza D09 Blue


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #141 on: September 04, 2025, 10:05:27 PM
Day 4 of 30

Today carried T4 and used scissors to open food pack, used also blade to slice some cucumber. I gotta admit that T4 is handy tool even tho i cannot still open blade easily with onehand.

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The blade on my T4, which is being carried today, is stiff as well.  I find it is due to the locking mechanism.  Once you get it past the lock edge (about 30% open) it becomes easier but clearing the lock is key.  Although, I am also left-handed so the oho is even more difficult because have to use finger vice thumb.


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #142 on: September 04, 2025, 10:14:58 PM
Day2, nothing special, just cut a bread roll..
I did also though about the Ryke Tool, but unfortunately it’s one hand opened, so against German knife laws..
There are also more Swizza available, but non of them whit an normal SAK Skizzors..
The Ruike small and medium (similar size to 91/93mm SAK) have nail knicks, so I wouldn’t think they would be an issue.

If interested, you might also look for Boker Plus Tech Tool City, which are almost identical to the Ruike.


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #143 on: September 04, 2025, 10:33:15 PM
The Tech Tool is also looking interesting, although another knife purchase? I’m fine now whit the Swizza, not only for the Challenge but maybe as an companion later for the Swisstool Spirit I have also in my Pocket..

I have also 2 Cheapo SAK Alike from an German Discount Supermarket, but they are quite unsafe to use..

Another alternative for the challenge where my Leatherman Juice which is the only German Knife Law Friendly Leatherman in my Collection, but I have allready an Plier based MT in my Pocket..
Your SAK is only fully yours, when it bites you, or you opend a Trink of your joice whit it
SAKs i have: Huntsman Light (Red Transparent), Workchamp (Black), Wenger EvoGrip S557 (Red), Swisschamp XLT (Red Transparent).. Swisschamp (Blue Transparent) Cybertool L (Blue Celidor (custom scales) , Huntsman (Black Celidor) , Victorinox EvoGrip S557 (Red, but sadly lost in my house somewhere) Victorinox Delemont S17 and S57 ..  , waiting for: Swiza D09 Blue


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #144 on: September 04, 2025, 10:50:16 PM
Day 4: A very unique awl!
Barry


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #145 on: September 05, 2025, 02:08:49 AM
Day 5

JOTS trimmed some cloth to use as bulletin board backing.


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #146 on: September 05, 2025, 02:23:13 AM
I have a Camillus 99 that made at least one appearance in the Scout challenge we did a while back, and it'll make an appearance here, too. And I daresay that I like the blue on Barry's Swiza better than the orangey red on mine.

Day 4

A decree was issued: time to remove the window A/C units. Time to deploy the Swiza's back-layer Phillips.

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It worked just as well as the back-layer Phillips on a Wenger or a Vic.

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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #147 on: September 05, 2025, 02:28:01 AM
Day 4

Opened a package of moisturized towelettes.


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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #148 on: September 05, 2025, 03:10:52 AM
Day 5

JOTS trimmed some cloth to use as bulletin board backing.

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That's a beauty BPR and being named John a lot of my friends call me Johnny so have a little envy  :drool:

I've a couple of their knives but very hard to get here in Australia these days, not to mention pricey

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Re: SAK-A-Like / Off Brand Challenge - September
Reply #149 on: September 05, 2025, 04:28:20 AM
Those are some very good looking blue Swizas up there.

Day 4

This was my first time using this kind of can opener.  I think I would've starved before being able to open a tin can with it.  I struggled more than I thought I would.  I think I find the dog leg style of can opener easier.


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