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John · **Reply #90 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:33:43 PM

ALP could you PM me the pictures please

LatinoHeat · **Reply #91 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:35:14 PM

Damn, the pictures were taken down. I never got to see them!! Anyone have another link?

Benner · **Reply #92 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:25:49 PM

Everyone, they were taken down because Leatherman didn't want them released yet. Please respect this and move on.

gafftapegreenia · **Reply #93 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:40:40 PM

There is no spoon.

LatinoHeat · **Reply #94 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: Benner on November 12, 2009, 07:25:49 PM

Everyone, they were taken down because Leatherman didn't want them released yet. Please respect this and move on.

Ahhh, gotcha.

roberttheiii · **Reply #95 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:46:08 PM

Booo not wanting them released...didn't anyone save them?

american lockpicker · **Reply #96 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:46:59 PM

I don't understand why leatherman wants to keep this quiet the new tools are very impressive.

Sazabi · **Reply #97 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:07:01 PM

Quote from: roberttheiii on November 12, 2009, 08:46:08 PM

Booo not wanting them released...didn't anyone save them?

I saved the picture, however I do not wish to go against Leatherman's wishes. Besides, I doubt the wait will be too much longer until they're officially revealed.

roberttheiii · **Reply #98 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:12:30 PM

Would anyone say if it was basically a P4 w/a pair of fold out scissors? If so, awesomeness.

DaveK · **Reply #99 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:13:17 PM

We could tell you..... but then we'd have to kill you

Benner · **Reply #100 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:13:37 PM

american lockpicker · **Reply #101 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:33:12 PM

Quote from: roberttheiii on November 12, 2009, 11:12:30 PM

Would anyone say if it was basically a P4 w/a pair of fold out scissors? If so, awesomeness.

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Tsquare · **Reply #102 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:40:17 PM

In a word S.H.O.T.

1jump2many · **Reply #103 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:00:37 AM

The pictures are ingrained in my memory. The only way to remove them is to give me a lobotomy. Hey, wait a minute.........ummmm, I don't remember a thing.

Tsquare · **Reply #104 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:23:06 AM

All will be revealed in time grasshopper.

gafftapegreenia · **Reply #105 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:43:23 AM

There was no leaked photo

BIG-TARGET · **Reply #106 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:49:02 AM

Please! Before you start slinging the word "grasshopper", Remember the Aesop fable, as told by Jack Spirko!

And we multitoolers are ANTS!!

american lockpicker · **Reply #107 on:** November 13, 2009, 01:55:10 AM

Quote from: gafftapegreenia on November 13, 2009, 12:43:23 AM

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There was no leaked photo

LOL

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #108 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:40:08 AM

Quote from: american lockpicker on November 12, 2009, 08:46:59 PM

I don't understand why leatherman wants to keep this quiet the new tools are very impressive.

Leatherman doesn't want to release these things the same reason car manufacturers hide their new models. Until they are ready for release, they are vulnerable to be copied and beaten to the marketplace. Or, the competition could design something to combat it and release it before the initial tool is released. Or, some nefarious twits could copy the design in one of those places you don't like and have the knockoffs on the street before the real tool is released. Or, some of these tools may be prototypes and may not actually be released, in which case you got all excited for nothing.

Corporate espionage is big business, and companies have a right to choose when information about their product is released. I have no idea what will happen to the gentleman that released the photo initially, but I can tell you that Leatherman is very serious about their business.

Now technically speaking, we are independent of LM, and so if something like this is leaked, we can choose to take advantage of it, or we can respect Leatherman's wish to keep this relatively quiet until such time as they are ready to make it public. I vote for the latter, especially since Leatherman has been quite good to us- something that happened because we don't routinely thumb our noses at their wishes.

Def

BIG-TARGET · **Reply #109 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:26:43 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on November 13, 2009, 05:40:08 AM

Quote from: american lockpicker on November 12, 2009, 08:46:59 PM
I don't understand why leatherman wants to keep this quiet the new tools are very impressive.

Leatherman doesn't want to release these things the same reason car manufacturers hide their new models. Until they are ready for release, they are vulnerable to be copied and beaten to the marketplace. Or, the competition could design something to combat it and release it before the initial tool is released. Or, some nefarious twits could copy the design in one of those places you don't like and have the knockoffs on the street before the real tool is released. Or, some of these tools may be prototypes and may not actually be released, in which case you got all excited for nothing.

Corporate espionage is big business, and companies have a right to choose when information about their product is released. I have no idea what will happen to the gentleman that released the photo initially, but I can tell you that Leatherman is very serious about their business.

Now technically speaking, we are independent of LM, and so if something like this is leaked, we can choose to take advantage of it, or we can respect Leatherman's wish to keep this relatively quiet until such time as they are ready to make it public. I vote for the latter, especially since Leatherman has been quite good to us- something that happened because we don't routinely thumb our noses at their wishes.

Def

Valid points!!!

roberttheiii · **Reply #110 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:41:21 PM

Dare I say they should keep their prototypes hidden better if they're that worried about corporate espionage!

roberttheiii · **Reply #111 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:51:04 PM

Wait, is that actually the leatherman co's photo gallery? or someone who works there? I just realized it was intentional. They're gaging what they should actually make based on your chatter! I'd say our chatter, but I didn't see. Obviously a lot more goes into it then internet buzz, production cost, marketing studies, what your kid nephew likes, but I stand by the notion that if that is an official gallery it was an intentional leak to start this thread.

zepla · **Reply #112 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:19:29 PM

Quote from: roberttheiii on November 13, 2009, 03:51:04 PM

Wait, is that actually the leatherman co's photo gallery? or someone who works there? I just realized it was intentional. They're gaging what they should actually make based on your chatter! I'd say our chatter, but I didn't see. Obviously a lot more goes into it then internet buzz, production cost, marketing studies, what your kid nephew likes, but I stand by the notion that if that is an official gallery it was an intentional leak to start this thread.

Hmm, makes me wonder. That could be just the case

I guess we should not be restricted by LM although I understand keeping a good relationship with the company. Better yet, they should be thankful for our comments on protos and ideas. But that's just me

ducktapehero · **Reply #113 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:24:53 PM

Quote

I vote for the latter, especially since Leatherman has been quite good to us-

No they haven't!!! They discontinued the Sideclip AND the KF4!!!!

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #114 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:47:31 PM

Unfortunately it's not that easy.

Leatherman could do everything in house, but then they would have to employ a lot more photographers and buy their own printing press, along with all the processing equipment that goes along with that. That means that the average Micra or Squirt would run somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,300 each.

So, they employ other agencies to keep costs down. These agencies all sign non disclosure agreements, as I have when looking at new designs and prototypes, not ready for public consumption, and that is supposed to keep things from getting out. However, in the real world, things don't always stick to the script, and, as I like to say, sh*t happens, like it did in this case.

Not too long ago, a Freestyle was sent out to a photographer for some catalogue shots- this was some time before the Freestyle was officially released, although photos and info (much of which was from our SHOT coverage last year!) was already out there. The photographer took the photos he was required to, and usually the company doesn't insist on getting the tools back. The photographer then put the Freestyle on eBay, contrary to the non disclosure agreement and sold the tool. Guess who probably won't get any more work from Leatherman?

They do take reasonable precautions to protect themselves, and deal with any issues as quickly as possible- like in this case, where that photo has been removed.

Def

american lockpicker · **Reply #115 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:31:04 PM

ATTENTION ALL

The photo is no longer available.

AHB · **Reply #116 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:33:05 PM

Quote from: roberttheiii on November 13, 2009, 03:51:04 PM

but I stand by the notion that if that is an official gallery it was an intentional leak to start this thread.

How about that fake moon landing...?

Crouton · **Reply #117 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:34:11 PM

From what I saw of the picture I believe they will sell quite a few of these to people like us.

Soon enough we will see them in action.

DaveK · **Reply #118 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:36:21 PM

Quote from: Crouton on November 13, 2009, 07:34:11 PM

From what I saw of the picture I believe they will sell quite a few of these to people like us.

Soon enough we will see them in action.

Understatement of the week there!

I'm aledy wondering how many different colour variants there will be and doing some initial budgeting

american lockpicker · **Reply #119 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:58:07 PM

I'm just hoping we see less plastic and more aluminium and stainless steel. Also if it isn't to much trouble a label saying Assembled in USA or Made in USA of foreign and domestic parts.

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