What's your latest SAK?

[glenfiddich1983]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

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And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

[gene stoner]

The little guy got his first sak, and since he got his,well that means I could have mine
JR

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Good job your doing it right JR.

[MadPlumbarian]

The little guy got his first sak, and since he got his,well that means I could have mine
JR

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Good job your doing it right JR.

Thanks,
JR

[SAK Guy]

The little guy got his first sak, and since he got his,well that means I could have mine
JR

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Good job your doing it right JR.

+1000

[glenfiddich1983]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

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And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

Partial delivery received 

[BerkshireHunter]

Medium gray Pioneer

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Medium gray on the left

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Medium gray in the middle

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Well that's interesting. Are those still for sale anywhere?   

[glenfiddich1983]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

(Image removed from quote.)

And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

Partial delivery received 

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And another DHL delivery guy came by



(Also one non-SAK as you can see)

[jalind]

This pair of Wenger EvoGrip 64 landed in today's mail
 





The EvoGrip 64 was Wenger's Evolution equivalent of Victorinox's Apprentice.


John

[glenfiddich1983]

This pair of Wenger EvoGrip 64 landed in today's mail
 


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The EvoGrip 64 was Wenger's Evolution equivalent of Victorinox's Apprentice.


John

Nice pair!

[jalind]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

(Image removed from quote.)

And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

Partial delivery received 

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And another DHL delivery guy came by

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(Also one non-SAK as you can see)

Looks great . . .
Very interesting to see a 58mm with Fort Leavenworth on it! Fort Leavenworth, KS was the first U.S. military installation west of the Missouri River which runs along its eastern edge. It's on the Kansas side of the border between Kansas and Missouri just north of Kansas city, Kansas (the Kansas side). Most people think of the DB there (Disciplinary Barracks; the U.S. Army prison) when they see the name. It's a small installation that also houses the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College and an excellent U.S. military history library, with many buildings over 100 years old built from brick and stone masonry. It's very top heavy crawling with Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels to staff the C&GSC.


John

[glenfiddich1983]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

(Image removed from quote.)

And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

Partial delivery received 

(Image removed from quote.)

And another DHL delivery guy came by

(Image removed from quote.)

(Also one non-SAK as you can see)

Looks great . . .
Very interesting to see a 58mm with Fort Leavenworth on it! Fort Leavenworth, KS was the first U.S. military installation west of the Missouri River which runs along its eastern edge. It's on the Kansas side of the border between Kansas and Missouri just north of Kansas city, Kansas (the Kansas side). Most people think of the DB there (Disciplinary Barracks; the U.S. Army prison) when they see the name. It's a small installation that also houses the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College and an excellent U.S. military history library, with many buildings over 100 years old built from brick and stone masonry. It's very top heavy crawling with Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels to staff the C&GSC.


John

Thanks for the info! 

I was already planning to look into the background of some of these knives tomorrow, this is helpful and interesting

Do you also happen to know anything about the 'no slack for iraq' knife and what its about?

I already know this knife refers to the Operation desert shield in 1990-1991, and that the "no slack" part probably refers to the "No Slack" batallion who were involved in the operation?

Would this knife be some kind of commemorative that was made/sold after the gulf war? Or is it issued to the soldiers that were in the no slack batallion at that time?





My apologies by the way for this off topic question, since this knife is not a SAK

I always like to know the story behind the stuff I own

[jalind]

Thanks for the info! 

I was already planning to look into the background of some of these knives tomorrow, this is helpful and interesting

Do you also happen to know anything about the 'no slack for iraq' knife and what its about?

I already know this knife refers to the Operation desert shield in 1990-1991, and that the "no slack" part probably refers to the "No Slack" batallion who were involved in the operation?

Would this knife be some kind of commemorative that was made/sold after the gulf war? Or is it issued to the soldiers that were in the no slack battalion at that time?

My apologies by the way for this off topic question, since this knife is not a SAK

I always like to know the story behind the stuff I own

I don't know anything specific about this knife or its origin. The U.S. Army does not issue knives to its soldiers, other than bayonets. In garrison those are kept in the arms room with the rest of the weapons. They're issued when troops are deployed to what is commonly called a "combat zone" which would include Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. There's no U.S. equivalent of the Soldier Knife that's issued to Dutch, Swiss, German and soldiers in numerous other armies. To my knowledge there never has been, not even during WWII when the MIL-K-818 made (mostly) by Camillus was procured and introduced in the supply system. It was available for units (typically company level) to requisition as they saw fit, with the cost of them during my 20 year era coming out of a budget along with other non-consumable (i.e. durable) expendables. When deployed to a "combat zone" budgetary constraints are greatly lifted, but there still is an accounting of cost and you don't have a completely blank checkbook (i.e. get whatever you need operationally but don't waste money on crap). There's no formal means for a unit to requisition and issue a knife like that one to all its soldiers at government expense.

Soldiers, if they wanted to carry a pocket knife, and there was no regulation or standing order prohibiting it, procured their own at their own expense. During the first half of my era while it was still being made and in the supply system, you could buy a Camillus MIL-K-818 at the Clothing Sales Store (along with numerous other things), although I don't know why anyone would do so for practical use as they were, IMHO, crappy knives. Perhaps as a curiosity. Ultimately in the mid-1980's it was eliminated, possibly because nobody wanted it (nobody I knew did). It's why I carried a Victorinox Woodsman (the five layer version) and a Buck 110, along with the M7 bayonet on my battle rattle.

That wouldn't prevent a unit like a battalion setting up a group purchase and pooling money from soldiers who want to buy one. The U.S. Army has regulations about how to establish and manage informal funds of soldiers' money pooled like that. It's subject to periodic audit, typically by an Inspector General's inspection team which conducts periodic battalion readiness inspections, typically every 12-18 months (these are extremely thorough and in depth). We did that routinely with coffee mugs, beer steins, and other, similar memorabilia. If you wanted one, you found the officer whose additional duty was managing that fund, typically the battalion adjutant (aka S-1) and ordered one. At times there were special group purchases set up to leverage on quantity discount and it was handled in similar manner. I've got a variety of memorabilia from a number of units, including a jagdhorn that looks like the Bundespost logo, which I had to get a stable tone out of for about 10 seconds when it was given to me. Not as easy as it might seem if you've never played any brass.

I believe you're correct and I'd wager on it that "No slack for Iraq" refers to the 2/327 Infantry Battalion (2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment) which is part of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) 1st Brigade Combat Team, aka BCT. Combat battalions are no longer organized by regiments, they're organized into brigades. For historical lineage and honors purposes, every combat battalion maintains a regimental identity (i.e. infantry, artillery, cavalry, armor) and their battalion colors and unit crest reflect that regimental identity. It's not uncommon, indeed it's the norm, for brigades to be composed of battalions with different regimental identities. There has been an effort to keep every regiment represented somewhere so that their colors are never retired. It got the moniker from having been continuously deployed to Vietnam for seven years from 1965-1972, the longest of any combat battalion in that theater, having received "No slack!" during the conflict. The 101st Airborne, including its 1st BCT with the 2/327th Infantry Bn was part of Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

Hoping this gives you some insight into its very likely provenance, at least for its origin.

John

[glenfiddich1983]

(...)

I don't know anything specific about this knife or its origin. The U.S. Army does not issue knives to its soldiers, other than bayonets. In garrison those are kept in the arms room with the rest of the weapons. They're issued when troops are deployed to what is commonly called a "combat zone" which would include Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. There's no U.S. equivalent of the Soldier Knife that's issued to Dutch, Swiss, German and soldiers in numerous other armies. To my knowledge there never has been, not even during WWII when the MIL-K-818 made (mostly) by Camillus was procured and introduced in the supply system. It was available for units (typically company level) to requisition as they saw fit, with the cost of them during my 20 year era coming out of a budget along with other non-consumable (i.e. durable) expendables. When deployed to a "combat zone" budgetary constraints are greatly lifted, but there still is an accounting of cost and you don't have a completely blank checkbook (i.e. get whatever you need operationally but don't waste money on crap). There's no formal means for a unit to requisition and issue a knife like that one to all its soldiers at government expense.

Soldiers, if they wanted to carry a pocket knife, and there was no regulation or standing order prohibiting it, procured their own at their own expense. During the first half of my era while it was still being made and in the supply system, you could buy a Camillus MIL-K-818 at the Clothing Sales Store (along with numerous other things), although I don't know why anyone would do so for practical use as they were, IMHO, crappy knives. Perhaps as a curiosity. Ultimately in the mid-1980's it was eliminated, possibly because nobody wanted it (nobody I knew did). It's why I carried a Victorinox Woodsman (the five layer version) and a Buck 110, along with the M7 bayonet on my battle rattle.

That wouldn't prevent a unit like a battalion setting up a group purchase and pooling money from soldiers who want to buy one. The U.S. Army has regulations about how to establish and manage informal funds of soldiers' money pooled like that. It's subject to periodic audit, typically by an Inspector General's inspection team which conducts periodic battalion readiness inspections, typically every 12-18 months (these are extremely thorough and in depth). We did that routinely with coffee mugs, beer steins, and other, similar memorabilia. If you wanted one, you found the officer whose additional duty was managing that fund, typically the battalion adjutant (aka S-1) and ordered one. At times there were special group purchases set up to leverage on quantity discount and it was handled in similar manner. I've got a variety of memorabilia from a number of units, including a jagdhorn that looks like the Bundespost logo, which I had to get a stable tone out of for about 10 seconds when it was given to me. Not as easy as it might seem if you've never played any brass.

I believe you're correct and I'd wager on it that "No slack for Iraq" refers to the 2/327 Infantry Battalion (2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment) which is part of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) 1st Brigade Combat Team, aka BCT. Combat battalions are no longer organized by regiments, they're organized into brigades. For historical lineage and honors purposes, every combat battalion maintains a regimental identity (i.e. infantry, artillery, cavalry, armor) and their battalion colors and unit crest reflect that regimental identity. It's not uncommon, indeed it's the norm, for brigades to be composed of battalions with different regimental identities. There has been an effort to keep every regiment represented somewhere so that their colors are never retired. It got the moniker from having been continuously deployed to Vietnam for seven years from 1965-1972, the longest of any combat battalion in that theater, having received "No slack!" during the conflict. The 101st Airborne, including its 1st BCT with the 2/327th Infantry Bn was part of Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

Hoping this gives you some insight into its very likely provenance, at least for its origin.

John

Thank you very much for the info 

So if you had to guess you would say the knife may have been one of those group purchases set up by the battalion, as memorabilia of the time spent at operation Desert Shield?

[jalind]

(...)

I don't know anything specific about this knife or its origin. The U.S. Army does not issue knives to its soldiers, other than bayonets. In garrison those are kept in the arms room with the rest of the weapons. They're issued when troops are deployed to what is commonly called a "combat zone" which would include Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. There's no U.S. equivalent of the Soldier Knife that's issued to Dutch, Swiss, German and soldiers in numerous other armies. To my knowledge there never has been, not even during WWII when the MIL-K-818 made (mostly) by Camillus was procured and introduced in the supply system. It was available for units (typically company level) to requisition as they saw fit, with the cost of them during my 20 year era coming out of a budget along with other non-consumable (i.e. durable) expendables. When deployed to a "combat zone" budgetary constraints are greatly lifted, but there still is an accounting of cost and you don't have a completely blank checkbook (i.e. get whatever you need operationally but don't waste money on crap). There's no formal means for a unit to requisition and issue a knife like that one to all its soldiers at government expense.

Soldiers, if they wanted to carry a pocket knife, and there was no regulation or standing order prohibiting it, procured their own at their own expense. During the first half of my era while it was still being made and in the supply system, you could buy a Camillus MIL-K-818 at the Clothing Sales Store (along with numerous other things), although I don't know why anyone would do so for practical use as they were, IMHO, crappy knives. Perhaps as a curiosity. Ultimately in the mid-1980's it was eliminated, possibly because nobody wanted it (nobody I knew did). It's why I carried a Victorinox Woodsman (the five layer version) and a Buck 110, along with the M7 bayonet on my battle rattle.

That wouldn't prevent a unit like a battalion setting up a group purchase and pooling money from soldiers who want to buy one. The U.S. Army has regulations about how to establish and manage informal funds of soldiers' money pooled like that. It's subject to periodic audit, typically by an Inspector General's inspection team which conducts periodic battalion readiness inspections, typically every 12-18 months (these are extremely thorough and in depth). We did that routinely with coffee mugs, beer steins, and other, similar memorabilia. If you wanted one, you found the officer whose additional duty was managing that fund, typically the battalion adjutant (aka S-1) and ordered one. At times there were special group purchases set up to leverage on quantity discount and it was handled in similar manner. I've got a variety of memorabilia from a number of units, including a jagdhorn that looks like the Bundespost logo, which I had to get a stable tone out of for about 10 seconds when it was given to me. Not as easy as it might seem if you've never played any brass.

I believe you're correct and I'd wager on it that "No slack for Iraq" refers to the 2/327 Infantry Battalion (2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment) which is part of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) 1st Brigade Combat Team, aka BCT. Combat battalions are no longer organized by regiments, they're organized into brigades. For historical lineage and honors purposes, every combat battalion maintains a regimental identity (i.e. infantry, artillery, cavalry, armor) and their battalion colors and unit crest reflect that regimental identity. It's not uncommon, indeed it's the norm, for brigades to be composed of battalions with different regimental identities. There has been an effort to keep every regiment represented somewhere so that their colors are never retired. It got the moniker from having been continuously deployed to Vietnam for seven years from 1965-1972, the longest of any combat battalion in that theater, having received "No slack!" during the conflict. The 101st Airborne, including its 1st BCT with the 2/327th Infantry Bn was part of Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

Hoping this gives you some insight into its very likely provenance, at least for its origin.

John

Thank you very much for the info 

So if you had to guess you would say the knife may have been one of those group purchases set up by the battalion, as memorabilia of the time spent at operation Desert Shield?

Yes.
Desert Shield, the buildup of forces with their equipment and logistics support, would have been the opportunity to organize it while they were establishing their staging areas, moving logistics bases forward to the border support the invasion, conducting training and rehearsing for their initial operations.

Desert Storm ground operations were all of about 100 hours, or 4 days, until Saddam capitulated, and they moved with lightning speed. The 101st Airborne, with 2/327th in its 1st Brigade, conducted air assault operations (aka vertical envelopment) leapfrogging deep into Iraq as part of the U.S. XVIII Corps hook, operating west and then north of the U.S. VII Corps which had done the same on the ground (a corps is the next echelon above division).

John

[m47mu74nt]

SAK finds of the day:



2x Waiter (nylon economy scales), new in box
One Escort SD, red cellidor scales -slightly worn though-

[MWDP]

Victorinox 85mm Delemont Evogrip 16

- custom black G10 scales
- reground main blade to clip point
- toothpick and tweezers slots
- pocket clip

[MWDP]

Victorinox 91mm Standard in a custom setup.

- ELINOX stamped main blade
- Small clip point blade
- Front facing awl
- Grooved corkscrew
- Added scissors layer

Of course, custom scales in cocobolo wood

[glenfiddich1983]

(...)

I don't know anything specific about this knife or its origin. The U.S. Army does not issue knives to its soldiers, other than bayonets. In garrison those are kept in the arms room with the rest of the weapons. They're issued when troops are deployed to what is commonly called a "combat zone" which would include Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. There's no U.S. equivalent of the Soldier Knife that's issued to Dutch, Swiss, German and soldiers in numerous other armies. To my knowledge there never has been, not even during WWII when the MIL-K-818 made (mostly) by Camillus was procured and introduced in the supply system. It was available for units (typically company level) to requisition as they saw fit, with the cost of them during my 20 year era coming out of a budget along with other non-consumable (i.e. durable) expendables. When deployed to a "combat zone" budgetary constraints are greatly lifted, but there still is an accounting of cost and you don't have a completely blank checkbook (i.e. get whatever you need operationally but don't waste money on crap). There's no formal means for a unit to requisition and issue a knife like that one to all its soldiers at government expense.

Soldiers, if they wanted to carry a pocket knife, and there was no regulation or standing order prohibiting it, procured their own at their own expense. During the first half of my era while it was still being made and in the supply system, you could buy a Camillus MIL-K-818 at the Clothing Sales Store (along with numerous other things), although I don't know why anyone would do so for practical use as they were, IMHO, crappy knives. Perhaps as a curiosity. Ultimately in the mid-1980's it was eliminated, possibly because nobody wanted it (nobody I knew did). It's why I carried a Victorinox Woodsman (the five layer version) and a Buck 110, along with the M7 bayonet on my battle rattle.

That wouldn't prevent a unit like a battalion setting up a group purchase and pooling money from soldiers who want to buy one. The U.S. Army has regulations about how to establish and manage informal funds of soldiers' money pooled like that. It's subject to periodic audit, typically by an Inspector General's inspection team which conducts periodic battalion readiness inspections, typically every 12-18 months (these are extremely thorough and in depth). We did that routinely with coffee mugs, beer steins, and other, similar memorabilia. If you wanted one, you found the officer whose additional duty was managing that fund, typically the battalion adjutant (aka S-1) and ordered one. At times there were special group purchases set up to leverage on quantity discount and it was handled in similar manner. I've got a variety of memorabilia from a number of units, including a jagdhorn that looks like the Bundespost logo, which I had to get a stable tone out of for about 10 seconds when it was given to me. Not as easy as it might seem if you've never played any brass.

I believe you're correct and I'd wager on it that "No slack for Iraq" refers to the 2/327 Infantry Battalion (2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment) which is part of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) 1st Brigade Combat Team, aka BCT. Combat battalions are no longer organized by regiments, they're organized into brigades. For historical lineage and honors purposes, every combat battalion maintains a regimental identity (i.e. infantry, artillery, cavalry, armor) and their battalion colors and unit crest reflect that regimental identity. It's not uncommon, indeed it's the norm, for brigades to be composed of battalions with different regimental identities. There has been an effort to keep every regiment represented somewhere so that their colors are never retired. It got the moniker from having been continuously deployed to Vietnam for seven years from 1965-1972, the longest of any combat battalion in that theater, having received "No slack!" during the conflict. The 101st Airborne, including its 1st BCT with the 2/327th Infantry Bn was part of Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

Hoping this gives you some insight into its very likely provenance, at least for its origin.

John

Thank you very much for the info 

So if you had to guess you would say the knife may have been one of those group purchases set up by the battalion, as memorabilia of the time spent at operation Desert Shield?

Yes.
Desert Shield, the buildup of forces with their equipment and logistics support, would have been the opportunity to organize it while they were establishing their staging areas, moving logistics bases forward to the border support the invasion, conducting training and rehearsing for their initial operations.

Desert Storm ground operations were all of about 100 hours, or 4 days, until Saddam capitulated, and they moved with lightning speed. The 101st Airborne, with 2/327th in its 1st Brigade, conducted air assault operations (aka vertical envelopment) leapfrogging deep into Iraq as part of the U.S. XVIII Corps hook, operating west and then north of the U.S. VII Corps which had done the same on the ground (a corps is the next echelon above division).

John

Great! Thanks for thinking along! 

[Reinier]

My latest SAK is... no SAKs at all.
Spent the day in Zürich and saw a huge amount of nice stuff. Couldn't decide what to get so just bought nothing at all

Worth mentioning: several Ranger Topos, Zürich flagship store SAKs, colored Wengers (bus, cow, cheese). Swiza knives, Edelweiss scales and a Morgarten battle SAK. Thought about buying that one since it's the only battle series knife that's missing in my collection.

[SteveC]

Victorinox 91mm Standard in a custom setup.

- ELINOX stamped main blade
- Small clip point blade
- Front facing awl
- Grooved corkscrew
- Added scissors layer

Of course, custom scales in cocobolo wood

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beautiful   

[victor7000]

Bi-color Farmer

[victor7000]

The "Officer's" gray Pioneer compared to a black one.

[jalind]

  Three arrived: a used Rambler in need of some cleanup including new scales plus two BNIB Wenger, a Highlander similar to a Vic Small Tinker, and an Evolution S10 similar to a Spartan with small clip blade. What looks like some scratches on the S10 are specular highlights from an under cabinet LED light strip.





The appreciation of the smaller and more compact 85mm Wenger continues to grow, even though there are some aspects of the Vics I continue to prefer. That said, there are some aspects of the Wenger like the bottle opener and flat tip screw driver that locks when pressure on a screw head is applied that I'm glad Vic has maintained in the revised Evolution line. In addition, I'm also growing to like the locking main blade on the Evolution "S" versions.


john

[icculus]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

(Image removed from quote.)

And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

Partial delivery received 

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Where are you guys finding these armed services classics?  Wouldn't mind picking a set of them up.

[ColoSwiss]

New batch of Swiss Army Knives inbound!

(Image removed from quote.)

And finally the whole pack is out for delivery 

I'm expecting 15 SAK's this time 

4 of them are meant for resale, expecting to cover most of the total shipping cost with selling those 4 

Partial delivery received 

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Where are you guys finding these armed services classics?  Wouldn't mind picking a set of them up.

They were originally sold through military base exchanges (BXs) about 20 years ago.  Now they regularly show up on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-knife-Classic-SD-Blue-Special-Edition-Air-Force-/281974035129?hash=item41a6f652b9:g:C80AAOSwHgVW7yoG

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-knife-Classic-SD-Black-Special-Edition-Army-/281974037460?hash=item41a6f65bd4:g:kfsAAOSw2ENW7ysK

[icculus]

They were originally sold through military base exchanges (BXs) about 20 years ago.  Now they regularly show up on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-knife-Classic-SD-Blue-Special-Edition-Air-Force-/281974035129?hash=item41a6f652b9:g:C80AAOSwHgVW7yoG

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-knife-Classic-SD-Black-Special-Edition-Army-/281974037460?hash=item41a6f65bd4:g:kfsAAOSw2ENW7ysK

Thanks. I see you found Army and Air Force.  Naturally it was Navy I searched when I went looking for the and came up empty. 

[jalind]

Great! Thanks for thinking along! 

You're welcome! I was a major during Desert Shield and Desert Storm and know a little more than the average civilian about the details of what occurred during the ground operations in particular.

[Phillip]

Red Alox Cadet and I finally got a Swiss card.

[icculus]

You're welcome! I was a major during Desert Shield and Desert Storm and know a little more than the average civilian about the details of what occurred during the ground operations in particular.

Thank you very much sir for your service.

[SAK Guy]

You're welcome! I was a major during Desert Shield and Desert Storm and know a little more than the average civilian about the details of what occurred during the ground operations in particular.

Thank you very much sir for your service.

+1!!!!!